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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:06 am    Post subject: Your Inner Mexican Reply with quote

I received a great insight today, at our get together at Xochimilco, and I owe a great debt to another poster named notamiss for it.

The Inner Mexican.

There's something that draws foreigners to Mexico...something you won't understand unless you have this quality, I've come to believe. Notamiss gave it a name...the inner-Mexican. I think it's something we have in us that brings us here. It's not Latino...it's not the quest from the exotic..it's most definitely and uniquely Mexican in nature.

It's something in you, no matter where you're born, that brings you to this country and keeps you here. It's a sense and view of the world in different terms, maybe like the sliver in the Matrix, or a sense that something's not right with the world. I dunno. It's inner, like she says.

I'm rambling...but I think if you live here, you know what I mean. More on this as the thread goes along...I'd like to hear from folk in the know.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In spite of my respectable outer image, I think my Inner Mexican has an anarchic streak of rebellious attitudes towards many, many things.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we had a little too much fun yesterday, resulting in this topic. Surprised Your Inner Mexican is going to be the title of a book I think.

Hey, we switched the clocks ahead last night didn't we?
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MO39



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
I think we had a little too much fun yesterday, resulting in this topic. Surprised Your Inner Mexican is going to be the title of a book I think.

Hey, we switched the clocks ahead last night didn't we?


How is it possible to have too much fun? (Could that be my Inner Mexican speaking?)

I switched my clocks ahead last night before turning in - I hope you all did the same!
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Linda T.



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Guy. You are DEFINITELY on to something here. Although I'm still in the states, I feel the tug most strongly when exposed to the warmth of the sun, bright colors, and the spanish language. Not only through its melodious flow, but through the way that cups are allowed to break themselves and keys are allowed to lose themselves (with no need for blame), while certain negative emotions are experienced solely because people put them upon themselves.

Is there a group in Guadalajara that gets together like the one in Mexico City does? I sure hope so because I suspect that is where I may wind up.
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like (not wishing to p�ss on anyone's bonfire) that the 'inner Mexican' is your romantic ideal of Mexico that has somehow been fulfilled or lived up to.
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mapache



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although my childhood images of Mexico were that of Tijuana and I refused to go to Spain in my twenties because I thought Spain was like Mexico, I have always been attracted to the romantic culture of the old TV show Zorro, that I watched religiously as a boy. The colonial architecture and old fashioned politeness (usually genuine but sometimes not) called to me, too.

I never heard of Chiapas before I came he as the result of failed plans for a tourism business. (the gringos believe Chiapas is dangerous partly because of urban legend and the rest because they wrongfully believe in the US government still saying so because of Zapatistas)

Now when I go to the US or Canada, I find myself longing for my home in Chiapas with its free spirit of living and freedom from intrusive government like Cheney's Big Brother eavesdropping. I love the people here - especially their zeal for life with big families, friendly neighbors, a quiet respect for others' religions and big and frequent fiestas with music, food and dancing (OK - also cerveza). Poor or not, they live life to the fullest and I noticed more people smile more often here than in the drab condition of my homeland divided religiously and politically over its dark clouds of torture and war. Mexicans don't go out of their way to make enemies which is, I believe a good philosophy to live by.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sounds like (not wishing to p�ss on anyone's bonfire) that the 'inner Mexican' is your romantic ideal of Mexico that has somehow been fulfilled or lived up to.


Well. yes. Disc�lpame por orinar en la fogata de los dem�s, but what keeps me here is my wife's job and family. While I don't think I'd like to back in England, being in the USA last year was strangely liberating, and I�m sure looking forward to my week and a half in Canada next month, and certainly won't be in a hurry to return.
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notamiss



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I mentioned to Guy, there are different kinds of Inner Mexicans. Some are a yearning, but others, like mine, are unsuspected, and only come out when one has been living here for a few years. It's a different kind altogether than the "romantic ideal" one mentioned by TheLongWayHome.

I never had any wanderlust, any desire to live elsewhere but in my own native land, where I felt entirely at home. It never occurred to me, let alone attracted me even to vacation in Mexico. Nevertheless, fate brought me here, and after a few years I found little by little that I was settling in.

The signs are small and insignificant; they may even be missed at first, but over time they add up. The little rituals and courtesies, or different ways of saying things that seem strange at first, finally become natural and normal. The realization that there are things you don't know how to say in English. And other examples.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The signs are small and insignificant; they may even be missed at first, but over time they add up. The little rituals and courtesies, or different ways of saying things that seem strange at first, finally become natural and normal. The realization that there are things you don't know how to say in English. And other examples.


Ah, but that's different - that's just settling in. I certainly wouldn't call it my inner-mexican.
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notamiss wrote:
As I mentioned to Guy, there are different kinds of Inner Mexicans. Some are a yearning, but others, like mine, are unsuspected, and only come out when one has been living here for a few years. It's a different kind altogether than the "romantic ideal" one mentioned by TheLongWayHome.

I don't know. Perhaps my 3 years here isn't enough but I still can't see it as more than cultural adaptation fulfilling a romantic ideal. I had no desire to come to Mexico. My wife just happens to be from here. If it weren't for her I'd probably be discovering my 'inner eastern European'.

What's the difference between your 'inner Mexian' and cultural adaption or as Phil says, settling in? I need a more concrete example.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I first came to Mexico when I was 17. I wasn't here long enough to discover my Inner-Mexican, or maybe it wasn't there and that trip seeded it? But that trip did give me a taste for visiting foriegn cultures. As I travelled in my early twenties, both as a student and as a recent grad, that was fuelled. And I came to Mexico, thinking it would be any other great destination. But I did discover I had an Inner-Mexican. Now I'd even go as far as to say "I was born on the wrong side of the boarder."

While my spouse is Mexican, I met him here. And I don't consider him to be what's keeping me here. We have a friend who recently went to the US on a "fianace visa". He asked me--why didn't you get one of those for me? I was like WHAT? then we'd have to live there! No WAY. He can go. I'm fine right where I am. Cool
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notamiss



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The signs are small and insignificant; they may even be missed at first, but over time they add up. The little rituals and courtesies, or different ways of saying things that seem strange at first, finally become natural and normal. The realization that there are things you don't know how to say in English. And other examples.


Phil_K wrote:
Ah, but that's different - that's just settling in. I certainly wouldn't call it my inner-mexican.


Quite so. And since I've never lived in any other country besides my native one, and probably never will, I'll never know whether I could have settled in most anywhere or whether I lucked into the right one for me.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it very telling that the posts on this string that pooh-pooh Guy's "Inner Mexican" insight are not particularly thrilled at finding themselves living in Mexico and are here only because of their Mexican wives.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
I find it very telling that the posts on this string that pooh-pooh Guy's "Inner Mexican" insight are not particularly thrilled at finding themselves living in Mexico and are here only because of their Mexican wives.


I might have been in the camp that's disillusioned at being in Mexico due to a local wife, but now having divorced, I'm still here, and still enamored with this country.

What I got from Notamiss the other day was the idea that there was something that pulled you into Mexico before arriving. I definitely experienced that in meeting a chilango in Winnipeg, Canada, about 6 months before coming here. Some kind of strange fate in that meeting and my subsequent journey to this country, when Peru was my actually planned destination.

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or whether I lucked into the right one for me.


That's it right there, as you and I know. And that is the Inner Mexican.
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