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martyrochon



Joined: 01 Apr 2010
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Location: Canada

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:50 pm    Post subject: First timer looking for work in Bangkok Reply with quote

Hey everyone,

I am surely repeating someone's post here, and I am sorry, but I've searched for a while now and have not found...

I am looking to move to Bangkok in the fall in the hopes of landing a decent english teaching gig. I have a B.A., as well as some experience teaching (teacher's assistant, substitute teaching, coaching).

a) What is the best way to find a decent job? Should I try to land a contract here (Canada), or just go there and apply at a bunch of schools?

b) Is there any teacher's assistant work in government schools, or is it mainly just corporate schools?

c) Based on my qualifications, what can I expect to be paid? (I realize salaries in Thailand are not what they are in Korea of Japan)

d) Is it worth getting an online TEFL (or equal) degree?

e) What are the chances of finding work in September?

Any info on one or all of these questions will be truly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Marty
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Kiels



Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Posts: 59
Location: UK

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Marty.

I'm not sure how qualified I am to give advice about teaching in Thailand or Japan (as in your other post) but I'll try to offer the advice I can. Shocked

If you look at many of the other posts, many people suggest that turning up in Bangkok is a good idea and that many language centres in Bangkok or other schools routinely take on teachers who are available in country and who visit in person to enquire about vacancies. This could definately be an option for you. You need to consider how much money you could afford to take if you did so for possible costs whilst you have not found work, accom etc. You also need to think about what time of year to arrive (info like this is on the posts here already) and search out some reputable schools you might want to head to. Be aware, searching for jobs in the heat and chaos of Bangkok might be more tiring and hot than you imagined.

However some people would rather have a job lined up for arrival which offers security and peace of mind. The companies I am most aware of in Thailand who recruit from overseas are MediaKids, AYC and Time to Teach. I worked for MediaKids in Thailand last year. Both AYC and MediaKids will place you in more rural locations, certainly not Bangkok. This doesnt mean you will be in tiny villages but its safe to say these cities aren't tourist hotspots. I worked in Chaiyaphum last year with them and although quite a large city, didn't offer that much variety and got rather boring and Bangkok was 5 hours away by bus for travel on the weekends. However, I had no problems with MediaKids themselves, they pay relatively well (30,000- 35,000 Baht dependent on experience and quals) and despite what some people say, in more rural locations, where there isn't that much to spend your money on and costs are lower, this is more than enough to live and save a little. I travelled most weekends to other places and cities and still managed to save money. The bonus of these contracts is that they are 4-5 months and offer a taster of what teaching in these locations/ culture and whether this is something you really want to do. Many contracts in Thailand would typically be for longer periods.

Working for a company like MediaKids and AYC means you do have some choice in your location and age range but you're limited. You need to decide if these locations are for you. There are some jobs for cities like Lopburi and Khorat but you might well find yourself in a quieter city/town. A disadvantage is that by working in a government school that these companies will send you to, is that your class sizes may well be very large (in my case 43-45 in every class) and communication in English might be very limited between you and the vast majority of Thai teachers in the school. Plus be prepared to hear 'Farang!' being shouted out and people pointing at you EVERYWHERE. Even by the children in my school lol after having worked there for several months! These classes are hard work, especially in elementary and although it was suggested several times, we would have a Thai assistant teacher in our classes, none materialised. Resources, particularly in the elementary schools might be limited, although from the tales of other foreign teachers in Chaiyaphum working in High Schools, High schools are better resourced and might even have air conditioning in some rooms. It gets pretty hot in Thailand!

Anyway these are all considerations you might want to think about in deciding upon jobs in Thailand.

By the way, I worked in a Language Centre in China and loved it. The class sizes were small (max 18, some only 8 or 9) Chinese Assistant Teacher in every class, set Curriculum which we could adapt but helped set out learning objectives for each week/topic). However I think the culture of education in China is very very different to Thailand. In Thailand, things are more relaxed, Mai Pen Rai! Some of my Friday classes missed an entire months lessons for excursions to the Monastery, cleaning days and such. The priority of education is shall we say a little more relaxed than in China. However, for the teacher, students in China are generally a delight to teach Smile

Hope this has helped a little. Good luck with your adventure Very Happy
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MaiPenRai



Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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Location: BKK

PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a) What is the best way to find a decent job? Should I try to land a contract here (Canada), or just go there and apply at a bunch of schools?


up to you. easier to get a job through an agency from overseas. Usually slightly higher salary if finding your own job. If you come without a job, bring a few thousand dollars to support yourself until you start getting paid (could be a couple months). I would try to get a secure job with an agency if I were in your situation. It depends on how much sub experience you have though.
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b) Is there any teacher's assistant work in government schools, or is it mainly just corporate schools?


1. Teach conversational English in a government school or private/bilingual/catholic school

2. Teach English (all skills) and maybe science, math, computers, etc at an "English program" at a Government school or private/catholic/builingual school --- English Program or EP means most or all subjects taught in English by non-Thai teachers (only for the paying students)

3. Teach at an international school --- usually requires home country certification or licence. Almost always requires experience in related field.

4. teach at a language school. TEFL certificate is helpful but not necessary.

5. Work through an agency (some hire from overseas). Almost always hire for jobs in low-mid tier government schools. Higher end agencies have jobf for EP's and maybe even low-tier International schools.

EIther way, you are the expert, so you will not be an assistant in most cases.


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) Based on my qualifications, what can I expect to be paid? (I realize salaries in Thailand are not what they are in Korea of Japan)


THis info could easily be found on this forum with a littl effort.

Language schools - 300-600 baht/hour PT or 25-40,000 baht/mth FT

Government Schools Conversational English - 25-40,000 baht/mth FT

Private/Bilingual/Catholic/Christian Schools - 30-60,000 baht/mth FT

EP programs 35-60,000 baht/mth FT

International Schools - 40-140,000 baht/mth FT

Agencies - 30-45,000 baht/mth FT

With a BA and no TEFL cert and no stable experience, I would guess you could expect 40,000 baht/mth at best to start. Average is about 35,000 for starters.

In Thailand (and a few other countries) A LOT depends on your look, age, interview and/or demo lesson, timing, personality, skin colour, smile, clothes, hair, skin colour, etc. etc.

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d) Is it worth getting an online TEFL (or equal) degree?


NO, and it would most likely be a TEFL certificate and possibly a TEFL diploma. Although there are NOW degrees in TEFL, I would say it would be a waste. A degree in Education and licence would be much more useful. ONline courses are often NOT accepted by employers.


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e) What are the chances of finding work in September?


Decent. Most government/catholic/private schools start the second term in late Oct/early Nov. Language schools are always hiring but usually have more work during term breaks (March/April/October).

Best of luck
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martyrochon



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, very helpful!
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dragonfruit



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:02 pm    Post subject: Volunteer in Thailand Reply with quote

If you are seeking a volunteer teaching post check out http://www.volunteerworkthailand.org

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