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orly_porly



Joined: 13 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:07 pm    Post subject: what's the difference................. Reply with quote

Hello.

I found a standard tesol course that offers:
-100 hours of instruction
-10 hours observation
-20 hours practice teaching
-30 hours self-study and lesson planning

This course costs $925 cnd.

The same language school offers a Trinity tesol (same criteria, except 5 additional hours of instruction) and costs $1800 cnd.

What's the difference, and why is there such a huge monetary discrepancy? Are they charging more because of the college name affiliated with the course, or is it actually better? If so, how?

Thanks
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shenyanggerry



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suggest you begin by asking the school. They just MIGHT know something about the content of their courses.
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orly_porly



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your reply Shenyanggerry.

I have asked the school, and I was told that the cost for the Trinity is more because of the name association. I was interested in hearing from people who might know other reasons, if there are any.

Is Trinity more recognized than a standard tesol, and if so, why, considering they have the same requirements.

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shenyanggerry



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They possibly have to pay royalties toTrinity. From you reply though, it sounds like "what the traffic will bear"...
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shmooj



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trinity is internationally recognised and so you are paying for this recognition. However, if you are going to be working for an employer who couldn't tell the difference between a Trinity Certificate and wet toilet paper there doesn't seem to be a point in going with the Trinity. My Trinity helped me get a job at a college where I'm sure they wouldn't have looked at a run of the mill TEFL cert. However, the job after that went on my previous experience and this was worth more to them than the cert on its own.

So, my advice would be to consider what you would be doing with the qualification once you hvae it. If you want to land a job with a reputable well known employer then I'd go with the Trinity. If you simply want access to anywhere at all say in the Japan-Korea-China triangle then you'll probably be fine with the box standard TEFL Cert.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The specs for the TEFL sound good. What is the name of the program? I know many of the Cdn ones.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 7:59 am    Post subject: Recognition of certificates and diplomas Reply with quote

My employer would recognize the Trinity qualifications but probably not the other one.

It might mean the difference between getting a job and not getting one. BUT THIS IS ENORMOUSLY DIFERENT FROM COUNTRY TO COUNTRY. That is one reason why I try to get people here to break down that conceptual flaw of seeing the world as two places : "home" and "abroad". What is the way in Brazil is not the way in Saudi !

If a course is validated by Trinity then it will be more expensive.


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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a foreigner to get hired to teach EFL at the university where I work, a Master's degree and teaching experience are pretty much required. (The university is under pressure to increase its percentage of instructors with advanced degrees.) Where an applicant got his teacher training is relatively unimportant unless it was part of a university program (practicum as part of getting his MA.)

As for language schools in this city, I don't know of any that give special preference based on the status of an applicant's teacher training program. Other factors such as previous teaching experience and how an applicant comes across in an interview seem more important than having CELTA, DELTA, or Trinity on the teacher training certificate.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UCLES RSA is also recognised world wide
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Hogbear



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben Round de Bloc wrote:
For a foreigner to get hired to teach EFL at the university where I work, a Master's degree and teaching experience are pretty much required. (The university is under pressure to increase its percentage of instructors with advanced degrees.)


Ben, does it matter what kind of master's the person has? If schools are under pressure to increase the percentage of instructors with "advanced degrees," I'm wondering if it matters whether it's a master's in English or a TEFL-related master's.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ben, does it matter what kind of master's the person has? If schools are under pressure to increase the percentage of instructors with "advanced degrees," I'm wondering if it matters whether it's a master's in English or a TEFL-related master's.

- Hogbear


That's a hard one to answer. At the university where I work, there are only 3 of us native English speakers out of about 20 teachers in the EFL department. Two of us have MA in TESOL degrees, while the third has his MA in Latin American Politics. However, he also had many years of EFL teaching experience before he was hired.

I'm sure hiring practices vary from university to university. It would probably be best to check with particular universities that you have in mind to see what their hiring policies are.
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