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dime a dozen
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 44
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: Censorship: considerations for bringing materials to KSA |
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I want to ship material to KSA but am concerned that some of the materials includes text and graphics that might be inappropriate.
Can you please help with advice?
If I send or bring books, hard-drives, CDs to KSA, will these be delivered without problem, or will there be some sort of bureaucratic process that will concern censorship?
I am planning to send boxes of books (including course textbooks, novels, etc) to a friend working at a university. I'm looking at about 30-40 kgs. These textbooks are very ordinary, but there are some pictures that are giving me reason to think twice; for example, pictures of sleeveless women, pictures of bottles of wine, etc. Also, some of the novels might be inappropriate.
I was also going to send an external hard drive with scanned copies of books, pictures, photos, etc. There are many pictures of women; nothing I would think too outrageous by ordinary standards; a cartoon of a woman in a bikini under a beach umbrella, for example.
I was going to send all this by DHL shipment, or perhaps as unaccompanied luggage, or if I meet my friend in the States next month, I was going to hand them over so he could bring them back to KSA himself later this year.
Anyway, I was looking over the stuff yesterday and it occured to me that it would be a good idea to check with the board if this sort of stuff will be OK for shipment or for carrying.
Apologies if I seem a bit naive -I've never been to KSA so really don't know.
Any pointers for safe practice here?
Thanks in advance.
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Censorship: considerations for bringing materials to KSA |
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dime a dozen wrote: |
For example, Jean Sasson's Daughters of Arabia (an expose of life as a princess in a Saudi royal family). This book is quite scathing in allocating blame to Saudi men, and I wonder if it is banned. |
Of course that ridiculous bit of crap is banned... too bad it wasn't done everywhere. It is pure sensationalist fiction. I suggest burning it rather than putting it into your shipment. It is not worth paying the per kilo rate on.
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dime a dozen
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 44
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: thanks VS |
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I figured it was banned.
Would anyone be able to advise if other items are OK? |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: |
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You cannot know this in advance. It is generally easier to bring things in as personal luggage over the Causeway.
Personally I do not think that would be a problem. Shipping them as cargo MIGHT be more problematic. |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Scot is right - your stuff is far more likely to be searched if it's sent via cargo than if it's in your own luggage. Again, there is no way of knowing how thoroughly - if at all - your bags will be searched. They may not be opened at all, or you may be asked to take every item out for individual inspection. This latter is rare these days, but it can still happen.
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Also, some of the novels might be inappropriate. For example, Jean Sasson's Daughters of Arabia |
Interesting that you use the appropriate word 'novel' to describe this pulp. Bizarrely enough, there are those out there who consider Sasson's 'work' to be non-fiction.
Anyway, regarding books/CDs in general, as I've said before, pictures are more likely to get you into trouble than words, if only because most Saudi customs officials don't read English. As I've said, your stuff is unlikely to be thoroughly searched, but to be on the safe side put covers on any books which contain possibly 'inappropriate' pictures, of, if possible, tear them out. |
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Censorship: considerations for bringing materials to KSA |
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First off i agree with what all have said about caution of bringing books, CD,s etc into the kingdom.
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Of course that ridiculous bit of crap is banned... too bad it wasn't done everywhere. It is pure sensationalist fiction. I suggest burning it rather than putting it into your shipment. It is not worth paying the per kilo rate on. VS |
VS by your very strong condemnation of this particular book I think more people that have not read it will probably now want to read it to find out first hand why someone would react so extremely negative towards it...by your extreme reactions, you are giving this author free promotion of the book...even if it was negative...people take notice of extreme remarks...either negative or positive...better to just say ho hum and say, give it a pass and people would be less inclined to read it than your scathing remarks of burning it!
so now...guess I better go buy the book and see what all the fuss is about! LOL |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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The OP's question about what is frowned upon or not will be quickly cleared up when s/he takes her/his first visit to the eye-opening magazine section of Jarir's
I believe I've covered the sequence of the emotions here.
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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cmp45
If that is how you choose your reading material... by its garbage level... go ahead and read it. But get it at a used book store and be sure to hold your nose as you read. It is the perfect book for those who want to hate Islam, Arabs, and Saudi Arabia. For those who like to sit around and snicker and feel superior.
To me the most offensive part is that it is passed off as 'non-fiction.'
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Well... in this crazy world, one person's trash is often another's treasure ...food for thought...but since I do value your opinion...most of the time
I' ll give this book a pass. |
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: censorship |
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IMHO, the days of extreme Saudi reactions to either cargo or mail seem to be long gone. Yes, it is still possible to get the odd muttawa type as a customs inspector, but generally most stuff seems to pass through with no problem This includes cargo shipments, although as Cleopatra said they are more likely to be inspected. Provided there are no racy pictures on the covers of the books, it is highly unlikely that anyone will read enough of it to decide to confiscate it. People that I work with have received rather large shipments of books and CDs entirely intact, and at least one person has shipped a hard drive with no incident.
Most of the dreadful stories of confiscation seem to be from ten years ago. Things have changed a lot here. |
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder who is untruthful to the readers, Jean Sasson or Princess Sultana of the magic kingdom.  |
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Wastaman

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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Please enlighten me, we've obviously struck a raw nerve here, but why do you think Sasson's book is a 'ridiculous pile of crap'?
Didn't I see Mein Kampf and the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, (Arabic translation) in Jarir book store, Jiddah a couple of years ago? Is Sasson's book any more ridiculously crappy? |
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Stephen Jones
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't I see Mein Kampf and the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, (Arabic translation) in Jarir book store, Jiddah a couple of years ago? Is Sasson's book any more ridiculously crappy? |
No! Would you buy or read either of the others though? |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Wastaman wrote: |
Please enlighten me, we've obviously struck a raw nerve here, but why do you think Sasson's book is a 'ridiculous pile of crap'?
Didn't I see Mein Kampf and the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, (Arabic translation) in Jarir book store, Jiddah a couple of years ago? Is Sasson's book any more ridiculously crappy? |
Not really comparable books... two political screeds (one obviously fiction) are not equivalent to just what I said above - a modern American writer presenting as fact what is effectively fiction. I doubt that there is any such person as "Princess Sultana." I suspect what we have here is a collection of gossip and innuendo from and about various women passed off as biography. As I read the first book in the series, I found a long portion that was obviously plagiarized from another book I had read a few years before. (suddenly now happening to a different Gulf woman in a different country - only the names were changed)
I am almost ashamed to say that I read most of the books in the series, if only to be able to say that since I have read them, I have the right to criticize. And of course, you have the right to disagree.
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't I see Mein Kampf and the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, (Arabic translation) in Jarir book store, Jiddah a couple of years ago? Is Sasson's book any more ridiculously crappy? |
I must say I'm happy to learn that at least one ESL teacher has taken the trouble to learn to read Arabic, even to the point of browsing the Arabic language book sections! Mabruk.
But more to the point, this is a non-starter of an argument. Are you saying that just because you can supposedly find, and I quote - ' ridiculously crappy' - books in KSA, that somehow means that Sasson's books are not 'ridiculously crappy'? |
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