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CfBT, Salalah, and The College of Applied Science-need info

 
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dorothy1



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:55 pm    Post subject: CfBT, Salalah, and The College of Applied Science-need info Reply with quote

Hey everyone. I hope you all can help me out with some information. I've heard mixed signals about CfBT and The colleges of Applied Science in areas of Oman. I've been interviewing with them for a position in Salalah the coming year. I've read some posts about the firings of teachers. Any information would be greatly appreciated regarding what happened, the colleges themselves, working environment, and what it's like working for CfBT. Starting salaries seem to start at around 1000 OR, and housing is also covered.... Thoughts???
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mcsam



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Run, run like the wind.
I have to admit that I do not work for CfBT Oman but they do sound very similar to CfBT U.A.E. Who are BAD, BAD, BAD.
I have had a couple of run ins with the senior management team here to the extent that they will not engage with me on any level (e-mail, telephone or in person). This has happened because I *gasp* questioned a couple of policy decisions that they made. The first one being why no EFL/ESL/EAL (whatever your preferred acronym is) was allowed 1 (yes only 1) day off to attend TESOL Arabia. They couldn't justify their position and it got to the stage where I was threatened with disciplinary action if I didn't "sit down and shut up" about it. I also questioned the lack of transparency in appointments, as I saw a lot of nepotism and cronyism going on here, and when I sent in my letter of non-renewal that was the end.....I have been persona non grata ever since.
My latest query is to do with the end of service settlement and why CfBT thinks it can break U.A.E labour law and not pay us until it suits them which is after we have left the country. Hence, in my case, straight into my UK bank account where I will incurr 45% emergency tax charges. Gotta love the UK tax laws.
Anyway if this is not enough to make you think twice I have many more examples of mis-management which I will happily share with you.
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veiledsentiments



Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcsam is not referring to the job you are asking about dorothy. I suggest that you use the search to find posts about Salalah and by Duffy who has direct experience and knowledge of what is happening with CfBT in Salalah.

Everyone is in the process of final exams and exit procedures for summer leave, so hopefully you will get a response.

All recruiters seem to have 'issues' and so does CfBt, but the issues tend to vary by country.

VS
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james van cleave



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes, Veiled Sentiments, oh yes.
Your sagacity crosses not only borders, it crosses the ages! I beg one question, if I may...
Why aren't you our ambassadress to one these noble plots? I guess you're waiting to confer with Mr. Obama.
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007



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Sheikha VS, got the title of Ambassadress to the ME since 2003! Laughing
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long before that... actually back to the mid-90's when this board first appeared. Laughing

But, it seems the level of intolerability of these recruiters depends on location... and the tolerance level of the individual teacher.

My general advice on this board has always been to avoid recruiters at all costs, but unfortunately if you don't have an MA, you may very well be stuck with them if you want to work in Oman or need that paycheck.

VS
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lotsa



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:

My general advice on this board has always been to avoid recruiters at all costs, but unfortunately if you don't have an MA, you may very well be stuck with them if you want to work in Oman or need that paycheck.

VS


Incorrect, an MA is not a pre-requisite. This is generalised statement that I see a lot of on this board, and it is not 100% correct, nor factual for that matter. I know of many here who have BA's and doing very nicely thank you! The majority of those, IN FACT, have oodles of experience sitting next to their degree's, hence the higher pay, and better working conditions. Try to be balanced with your comments because generalised comments may well turn away those who are intending coming here and could indeed do very well. Perhaps if you were here working now, you might be a bit more up-to-date before commenting on such matters. Rolling Eyes
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boundforsaudi



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are correct, lotsa. No MA is required to teach English for the MOHE, and neither is a BA in English, for that matter. But VS did not say that an MA was required. Please read more carefully. And if you intend to continue in the field, please return to college and study English. For all I know, you have an MA yourself, perhaps an MEd, and probably a CELTA, but you have obviously spent very little time studying English, and you have no business teaching English, considering your obvious lack of reading comprehension and poor writing skills. I hope you have not been teaching the apostrophe.
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The majority of those, IN FACT, have oodles of experience sitting next to their degree's. . .
You and your compatriots are certainly doing nicely to have landed the job you have, and it's really unfair if there are competent English teachers, with whatever degree, working alongside you and making about the same salary.
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lotsa



Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here we go again, nothing else to attack but the poor apostrophe Rolling Eyes Never heard of implied statements before? Perhaps you need some lessons in comprehension as well.

Nonetheless, the apostrophe is dead, as I guessing this thread will be soon, so last dibs in gets the last say Very Happy
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was the detail about how you had all your facts wrong since you were unable to read and comprehend my posts... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

VS
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lotsa



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Queen of the forum speaks. One must bow in reverance and subservience. VS is right always and in every case, so what is the point posting on here anymore if one happens to disagree.

HRH VS for quite a long time you have been of the opinion that a BA is not good enough for Oman. I, like many others in here, disagree but you are fixated on the contrary. So be it. I really couldn't care about it anymore, there's no point.
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boundforsaudi



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Never heard of implied statements before?

By this, I assume you are referring to elliptical constructions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptical_construction

So what you really meant was "oodles of experience sitting next to their degree's experience?"

Yes, now I get it. That interpretation never occurred to me. Just too painful to consider. Sorry. You have really mastered the apostrophe and the "implied statement."


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mishmumkin



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow....the word "Duh" comes to mind when I read this thread. Veiled Sentiments didn't not say that the MoHE schools required MAs. She said that if you didn't have a masters that you are generally stuck dealing w/ recruiters if you want to work in Oman as the MoHE institutions are one of the few places that will hire non-MA holders and they use recruiters to do the hiring. Rolling Eyes
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lotsa



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either way, you are still all wrong. Duh back at ya, because you don't need a recruiter to get you a job here if you only have BA. You all missed the point really, but I guess that is a given because VS's word is taken as true each and every time, even though said person doesn't even work here AT THIS TIME! People living thousands of miles away from here really aren't in the know. Duh!
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mishmumkin



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lotsa wrote:
Either way, you are still all wrong. Duh back at ya, because you don't need a recruiter to get you a job here if you only have BA. You all missed the point really, but I guess that is a given because VS's word is taken as true each and every time, even though said person doesn't even work here AT THIS TIME! People living thousands of miles away from here really aren't in the know. Duh!


Stop negating and share the specifics. ELS (who used to recruit for universities like the U of Nizwa) didn't require a recruiter so those w/ only a BA could get a job w/ them. MoHE is reliant upon the recruiters for their hiring, no? U of Nizwa now does their direct hires, and while they prefer MAs, they do hire non-BAs. So rather than contradict what somone shares, why don't you produce the names of institutions? What use is your comment if you don't give examples?
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