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fat-elvis
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 24
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: semi-major cities with better cost of living than tokyo/etc? |
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(man these thread title length limits are killer)
I really want to teach in Japan, and want to live in a city, but the cost of living really kills it for me. I keep leaning towards Korea because of the money to be made, but I'd so much rather live in Japan. Is it cheaper at all to live in, say, one of the top 15 cities as opposed to top 3-5? I'm pretty much resigned to the fact I won't be living in Osaka/Tokyo/etc for quite a while, if ever. I'd just like to live in a city that has a real "downtown" and a nightlife. I've read that the cost of living in Hiroshima is good compared to other cities, and has comparatively really good commute times. Any truth to that? How much so? Is it easier at all to save money working in cities like those compared to Osaka or Tokyo and so forth? |
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Baribari
Joined: 21 Mar 2008 Posts: 19
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Work in Tokyo, live in the suburbs.
Tokyo is an excellent place to commute.
The places around Tokyo (Chiba, Saitama, Hachioji, etc) are somewhat more reasonably priced than Tokyo. |
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fat-elvis
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 24
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah I was just reading about that. Saitama, specifically Omiya, looks like a decent area (yeah I read all about "da-saitama"). How much does it generally cost to live in Omiya?
If I wanted to live there, would I basically have to just fly to japan and hunt around for jobs/apartments there? |
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Baribari
Joined: 21 Mar 2008 Posts: 19
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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No clue, never been.
Your boss is required to pay for your transportation costs (train passes), so find a job wherever and then find a place to live afterwards. |
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chinagirl

Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 235 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: commuting |
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I'll second that. I live (and work) in Chiba prefecture, but everything in Tokyo is only 30-90 minutes away. I love where I live and it is very affordable. I have a large 2LDK (55 sq m) that I pay reasonable rent for (the same rent would get you a 6-mat room in the heart of Tokyo) and most conveniences are available close by. I go into Tokyo quite frequently.
You can do it, Fat Elvis. As the previous poster mentioned, find a full-time job first and then you can get an apt. within a reasonable commute, b/c your employer will pay for your commuter pass. If you are smart, live in an area so that your train pass covers a swath of Tokyo that you'd like to go to often. |
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flyingkiwi
Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 211 Location: In the Golden Gai in Shinjuku, arguing with Mama-san over my tab
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Come to Takasaki, lad.
Surely the best place to live within 200 km of Tokyo.
Rent is 45,000 yen per month here.
Good international community too. |
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fat-elvis
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 24
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: commuting |
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chinagirl wrote: |
I'll second that. I live (and work) in Chiba prefecture, but everything in Tokyo is only 30-90 minutes away. I love where I live and it is very affordable. I have a large 2LDK (55 sq m) that I pay reasonable rent for (the same rent would get you a 6-mat room in the heart of Tokyo) and most conveniences are available close by. I go into Tokyo quite frequently.
You can do it, Fat Elvis. As the previous poster mentioned, find a full-time job first and then you can get an apt. within a reasonable commute, b/c your employer will pay for your commuter pass. If you are smart, live in an area so that your train pass covers a swath of Tokyo that you'd like to go to often. |
55sq meters...that's like....590sq feet. Holy crap, how much do you pay for that?
I guess maybe it's more feasible than I'd imagined. Although Korea is still tempting because the schools there pay for airfare and rent. My main concern about doing japan is the money involved in flying there, searching for a job there, and key money.
btw, living in an area like Chiba or Saitama, how much does it cost to travel to Tokyo? And what's up with trains stopping before midnight.....how the hell do you manage nights out? |
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Baribari
Joined: 21 Mar 2008 Posts: 19
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: |
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flyingkiwi wrote: |
Come to Takasaki, lad.
Surely the best place to live within 200 km of Tokyo.
Rent is 45,000 yen per month here.
Good international community too. |
I like Gunma... but there's no race tracks...lol |
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mimimimi
Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 53
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Is your main objective for coming to either Japan or Korea to save money for debts/the future in your home country or to have just enough expendable income to party and sightsee domestically? If the former, then Korea may be your best option.
However if you do choose Japan then no matter where you live, one key to saving money is cooking most of your meals at home and using local ingredients. If you want to eat mostly a "Western" or "European" diet, then prices skyrocket, especially if you like a lot of fresh fruit. |
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fat-elvis
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 24
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: |
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mimimimi wrote: |
Is your main objective for coming to either Japan or Korea to save money for debts/the future in your home country or to have just enough expendable income to party and sightsee domestically? If the former, then Korea may be your best option.
However if you do choose Japan then no matter where you live, one key to saving money is cooking most of your meals at home and using local ingredients. If you want to eat mostly a "Western" or "European" diet, then prices skyrocket, especially if you like a lot of fresh fruit. |
I do have credit card debt I want to pay off. That's why I was considering doing Korea for one year or whatever and then moving to Japan. But beyond that, this would all be mostly for the fun and experience.
I have no problem with cooking up my own food and normally have a pretty standard and boring diet, although I like to eat healthy and am a bit worried about being able to eat over there like I eat here. I've heard how expensive it can be to eat a "western diet" and that kind of concerns me. Although just give me my eggs, chicken, meat, fish, nuts and veggies and I'll be fine. |
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Khyron
Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 291 Location: Tokyo Metro City
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: Re: commuting |
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fat-elvis wrote: |
55sq meters...that's like....590sq feet. Holy crap, how much do you pay for that? |
I have at 56sq metre (about 600sq feet) 3DK apartment in Kawaguchi (2 stops from Akabane in Tokyo... way closer than Omiya is) and I pay 95,000yen a month. It's a 3 minute walk from the station. Omiya isn't really any cheaper until you're well past Omiya station.
Deposit, key money and the first 2 months rent and realty fees were 550,000 though. You DO need a nice chuck of change to move into a place like that. |
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southofreality
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Posts: 579 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: No need to avoid Tokyo |
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It's not hard to find a 6-mat apartment in say, Itabashi (close to Ikebukuro Station) for around 60,000/mo or a little under, even with a real estate agency that specializes in dealing with foreigners. As for the cost of everything else, there are expensive supermarkets and cheap local ones all throughout Tokyo.
As far as ¥500 bento goes, you can find it all over Tokyo.
No reason to avoid Tokyo, my friend. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Kobe gets good reviews.
Sapporo was nice for me.
Bear in mind that depending on your work situation, you may have little to no choice in the matter of location. |
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Mark
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 500 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:11 am Post subject: |
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Basically, I think it's true that you would save more money (more easily) living in one of the top 15 cities rather than in one of the top 3. You've got nice cities to choose from, Sendai, Fukuoka, Hiroshima, Sapporo, etc. Also, Nagoya's probably quite a bit cheaper than Tokyo/Osaka. And, even Osaka's quite a bit cheaper than Tokyo.
I've lived in Tokyo the whole time I've been in Japan, and I've been able to save money. You have the choice of living in the suburbs, or simply putting up with a tiny apartment and living in the Yamanote. Although one thing I'd say is, if you've got no special reason or desire to come to Tokyo, you might be better off choosing another city/region. But if you want to come to Tokyo, then you'll figure out a way to live and still save money. |
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texastmblwd69
Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 91 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: semi-major cities with better cost of living than tokyo/ |
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fat-elvis wrote: |
(man these thread title length limits are killer)
I really want to teach in Japan, and want to live in a city, but the cost of living really kills it for me. I keep leaning towards Korea because of the money to be made, but I'd so much rather live in Japan. Is it cheaper at all to live in, say, one of the top 15 cities as opposed to top 3-5? I'm pretty much resigned to the fact I won't be living in Osaka/Tokyo/etc for quite a while, if ever. I'd just like to live in a city that has a real "downtown" and a nightlife. I've read that the cost of living in Hiroshima is good compared to other cities, and has comparatively really good commute times. Any truth to that? How much so? Is it easier at all to save money working in cities like those compared to Osaka or Tokyo and so forth? |
You could experience the best of both worlds by going to Busan (also spelled Pusan) in South Korea. Korean schools typically pay all rent, utilities, etc, and you'll be only about 2.5 hours by hydrofoil from Fukuoka, Japan. Fukuoka is quite nice and also one to consider if you DEFINITELY want to go to Japan and not Korea. Fukuoka has great beaches, a warm, though still 4-season climate, lots of hot springs around and about and a descent sized expat community. |
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