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dixie



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:49 am    Post subject: Literacy in M�xico Reply with quote

Apparently, (according to a seminar a colleague attended) the average M�xican reads less than one novel per year. Shocked So another colleague, and I are looking to transform the current Community Service Project component that we have established in one of our classes, to something that is based on literacy.

We have some ideas (including using the Flat Stanley children�s books - if you know a third grader in the States, or CND you might be very familiar with it), but I was wondering if anyone in the DF area was familiar with any organizations that were literacy based.

My kids are high school kids, and although we would prefer that they worked in English, the reality is that just helping kids read - English, Spanish, Klingon - is all that matters.

So if anyone has any suggestions, I would love to hear.

Thanks!
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hlamb



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a suggestion exactly, but I've discussed this with students (high school, uni and working adults) and they don't read. One told me reads a lot and then proceeded to list the five books she's read in the past year. Shocked I know I read more than the average Canadian, but the lack of literacy here concerns me. How can they possibly hope to learn another langauage when they are barely literate in their own? Let us know what you find out and how your project works!
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FreddyM



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know who does these literacy studies but they have a definite bias in that often only novels are counted towards the reading total. I don't read much fiction, if I read one novel a year it's a lot. But I read a lot of non-fiction material and periodicals. According to those surveys, I would not be considered a "reader", yet I probably spend several hours a day reading in one fashion or another.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I'm just nit-picking, but doesn't "literacy" mean the ability to read and write, not the extent to which it is done?
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danielita



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where i lived in the south last year, there were a few big reasons why poeple didn't read novels.

Most of the students were too busy reading their text books and doing home work. They barely had time to sleep, let alone read.
If they did have free time, they spent it helping their parents earn money, looking after their younger siblings or cooking meals.

Sadly, reading was considered to be a waste of time...
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

danielita wrote:

Sadly, reading was considered to be a waste of time...


And that attitude is part of the problem. If reading were considered to be a useful and pleasurable pastime, then your students would have squeezed out some time to do it, even if it had to be done after midnight. After all, who needs to sleep when you're young!

In a more serious vein, I think the idea that reading for pleasure is part of an educated person's life is something you learn at home. If you never see members of your family reading, if there are no books (or at least magazines and newspapers) in your home, then the thought of reading as an activity to look forward to, to make time for, may never cross your mind. Also, since books are expensive in Mexico and public libraries are not plentiful, that makes becoming a serious reader even more difficult.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually Pres. Calderon has been addressing this issue. Mexico is going to create a new department in the govt. that answers to the sec. of education to promote reading and a culture of books and reading in Mexico. Also, Mexico is going to place price controls on books so that smaller stores can compete.

I am always shocked at how little, if any Mexicans read. I notice the contrast when I am back in the US. On buses, planes, commuter trains, subways, etc you'll often see people reading books. In Mexico? Almost never.

From what I read (really) Mexico is in 2nd to last place in the America's for reading, only Haiti ranks lower. It's so much easier and cheaper to turn on the TV and watch a mindless telenovela on either Azteca or Televisa. Why think or use your imagination when others can do it for you?

It's interesting to note that former Pres. Fox chose to write and publish his book in English first, and later in Spanish.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:
Actually Pres. Calderon has been addressing this issue. Mexico is going to create a new department in the govt. that answers to the sec. of education to promote reading and a culture of books and reading in Mexico. Also, Mexico is going to place price controls on books so that smaller stores can compete.

From what I read (really) Mexico is in 2nd to last place in the America's for reading, only Haiti ranks lower.


Rather than just create another government bureaucracy, it would behoove Calder�n to pump more money into public libraries, IMHO.

Those statistics Prof. Gringo mentions are really disappointing, especially considering that Mexico has an important publishing industry, maybe on the same level as Argentina's. I wonder which Latin American countries rank high on the reading list.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those statistics Prof. Gringo mentions are really disappointing, especially considering that Mexico has an important publishing industry, maybe on the same level as Argentina's. I wonder which Latin American countries rank high on the reading list.[/quote]

I am not sure, but I'd like to know too.
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notamiss



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look what just landed in my inbox. You might be able to make use of it for your project:
Quote:

VENTA DE BODEGA DE LIBROS

2� GRAN REMATE DE LIBROS.
�SALVA UN LIBRO!

La Secretar�a de Cultura y el Auditorio Nacional organizan a trav�s de
la Coordinaci�n del Programa de Fomento a la Lectura "Para leer en
Libertad" la 2a Venta de bodega de libros de remate. Compra un libro
para que siga existiendo, en lugar de que se tenga que destruir. La
Industria Editorial tiene sus bodegas llenas de libros que han pasado
por venta, rebajas y saldos. No tiene c�mo deshacerse de ellos ya que
se le proh�be donarlos o regalarlos a menos que paguen impuestos por
los mismos.

Adem�s de costarles el almacenamiento tienen que pagar como activos
fiscales. Por tal motivo algunas editoriales se ven en la necesidad de
triturarlos (otras no). La Secretar�a de Cultura del GDF, para evitar
esta pr�ctica tan terrible decidi� hacer una gran venta de bodega de
donde pongan los libros a precio de remate. Con esto estaremos
ayudando a las Editoriales y tambi�n a los lectores a comprar libros a
baj�simo precio.

Esto se llevar� a cabo en el Auditorio Nacional, del
martes 24 al domingo 29 de junio de 2008, de 11:00 a 19:00 horas.
ENTRADA LIBRE


Executive summary:
Giant book remainder sale. Buy books cheap and save them from getting pulped.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for this notice, notamiss. I never could resist a book sale!

I wonder why a publishing company would have to pay taxes on books they would donate or give away Confused Question Sounds counter-intuitive to me, especially if the government is trying to encourage people to read through the Programa de Fomento a la Lectura.
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cummings93



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: that's funny Reply with quote

Any moment at work, when I am allowed the time, my face is usually buried in a book. I live and work in San Miguel de Allende and we are fortunate to have a really nice, big library. Anyways, my students are always asking me why I read so much. I explain to them that a "good book is like a really good movie, but it lasts longer and is far better." They seem puzzled when I tell them this.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: that's funny Reply with quote

cummings93 wrote:
Any moment at work, when I am allowed the time, my face is usually buried in a book. I live and work in San Miguel de Allende and we are fortunate to have a really nice, big library.


Is that a public library or the one organized by the large expat community of San Miguel?
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geaaronson



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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject: reading in public Reply with quote

If anyone has ever spent any time in any of Mexico`s libraries, there would be sufficient evidence to clue you in why there is so little social encouragement for reading. The tomes in so many of the regional libraries are so boring, not even the most avid reader would be in the slightest interested in reading.
Check out the little library at the corner of Antonio Caso in Colonia Rafael in DF to see what I am referring to. I have been in at least 3 other libraries and experienced the same ho hum response. There are public libraries plenty but few that have anything that merits attention. There are exceptions of course and I am speaking of the Merida Public Library that is well used and for good reason. It has excellent material.

Slightly off the subject but for any latent racists out there, the Altanta Public Library in Georgia USA is extremely well stocked and is visited by thousands, a clear majority of about 90%, Afro Americans, every day of the week.

I don`t understand why with all of the money from Bill Gates Education Foundation and Bill Clinton`s education proposals for the rest of the world that someone doesn`t come up with a non profit publishing company that recycles older literature in English. There are many copyrights that have expired on books from the past century that could be republished with no extra expense paid in royalties to the inheritors of the writers estates. Simply take a childrens picture book written in 1934, if need be rewrite the English to contemporary standards, use the same art work and print up 100s of thousand for distribution to school libraries all over the world. You could put out 30 titles a year and earmark them for distribution to remote villages in third world countries.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:23 am    Post subject: Re: Literacy in M�xico Reply with quote

dixie wrote:
Apparently, (according to a seminar a colleague attended) the average M�xican reads less than one novel per year. Shocked

I'm curious to know what the average count is for an American or a Canadian.
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