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SpedEd
Joined: 31 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai
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 Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: The Z visa ~ no one around here left China to get a new one. |
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Hello people:
Re. the 'Z' visa in China, I'm admittedly not well versed in the new regualtions, and the host of sometimes contradictory info found online isn't helping out. I need capable advice/info about what I have to do to cancel an existing, valid 'Z' visa with my current employer to accept legal, contractual employment with a new employer.
Now, I've recently read that C-immigration requires foreigners seeking to obtain a 'Z' visa need only aply at their nearest C-consulate *in their country of residence..* However two recent, now former, teaching colleagues of my current school had accepted new, legal contacts with new employers *without returning to their home countries.* In other words, they received new 'Z'visas, but stayed in China for the entire process, one of whom did not receive a letter of recommendation from this school. How'd they do it?
On another note, I've received many, many offers from visa specialists who are giving me fantastic deals with 'Z' visas, priced under 3000 RMB, but I'd prefer to stay on course, so to speak. I've also used these services in the past with great success. |
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Anda
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Jiangsu Province
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: Um |
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I just did it in country but I had a letter of release from my old government college and my new position is with a government school. My new boss lady took me to the police station after she had a new foreign expert certificate processed for me and I would have been there for 20 minutes.
The foreign expert certificate is the hard bit to get. I also had to have a medical done at an approved government hospital. You need a copy of your old FEC also to present at the police station. I also had copies of my degrees etc.
To leave a current position you need to give notice if your contract allows it or see out your contract. My new contract says I pay 5.000 RMB if I break the contract for instance. |
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SpedEd
Joined: 31 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:28 am Post subject: |
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The foreign expert certificate is the hard bit to get. I also had to have a medical done at an approved government hospital. You need a copy of your old FEC also to present at the police station. I also had copies of my degrees etc.
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It seems to be. When the FTs here were clamoring to receive their FECs upon the recommendation of the head FT for i.d. purposes, the school's admin was flatly refusing to hand them out everytime. My thoughts about this is why the FEC is so critically important to the school when it's a document that actually should be carried by the FT. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Hopefully you have read the stickies. Don't know if they have gotten too long
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| However two recent, now former, teaching colleagues of my current school had accepted new, legal contacts with new employers *without returning to their home countries.* In other words, they received new 'Z'visas, but stayed in China for the entire process, one of whom did not receive a letter of recommendation from this school. How'd they do it? |
No, they did not receive new z-visa, I promise you. If you are in country you do not get a new z-visa. A z-visa has one purpose only, to let you in the country for the purpose of work.
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| I have to do to cancel an existing, valid 'Z' visa with my current employer |
You have no z-visa with your current employer. The z-visa ended 30 days after you arrived (or when you got your residence permit (RP) which ever came first.
I would also suggest looking at the Chinese embassy website for visas
I have not seen any contradictory information on these subjects.
There are no new regulations
I am really confused by your true meaning/purpose
There is no way to cancel a z-visa, nor any need to.
Are you in or out of country? Are you just about to start working for a school, just finishing? Could you start from the beginning.
Letters of release and/or recom are technically needed when finishing at one job and starting at another school. That one mate didn't need it means nothing. Compare it to a guy driving, breaking the speed limit. Will he get a ticket? Depends on a lot of things. But it is the law
In country and out of country are different procedures.
As mentioned elsewhere on FEC's. Technically the teacher is supposed to have it. But the reality is that is has no value except for one purpose
The school FAO gives the Province/city Foreign Affairs Officer (FAO) your contract (e-mailed contract if out of country) and diploma, or whatever the city FAO is asking for on that day. if you are out of country, the school gives the paperwork to the City/province FAO to get your work letter of invitation, which is sent to you, so you can apply for your z-visa, come to China, do your medical exam. After your medical exam in China, the school FAO gives this and all other asked for info to the Province FAO who gives the school the FEC (Foreign Expert Certificate, red book) with a number in it. This shows you have the right to work. If you look up the number at the FAO office, it should say what school you are to work at.
The FEC (proof that you have the permission to work) is brought to the PSB Public Security Bureau, along with your passport, with a current z-visa (only good for 30 days after entry) The PSB then gives you the all-important residence permit. In the old days this was a separate green book. Now this is just a sticker in your passport. The FEC now is basically of no value. The school may wish to keep it because often the leaving FT may not return it, and maybe where you are they are getting stricter. Of little importance. Not worth arguing about, IMHO
If you are already in country, and stay with the same school, the same FEC is used, the dates extended, and if your RP is current, the PSB gives you a new sticker for the length of your new contract. If you change schools, the RP must still be valid, you may/should need a new medical and a release letter from your old school, the new school must take this, your contract and other asked for info to the province/city FAO, apply for a new FEC, take the new FEC to the PSB, before the expiration of the RP
No new z-visa |
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flutterbayou
Joined: 01 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: z visa |
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The previous post is precise and fully accurate.
The OP confuses the Resident Permit with the z visa, that's all.
The Foreign Expert Certificate belongs to the issuing school. Can you ask them to photo copy the photo page so that you can take that on to your new job?
Could it be that your employer has not completely followed through with the proper procedure?
OP, when you first came to the school, did they take you to the police station for your resident permit stamp (should be in your passport)?
If they short-cut the process, your new employer can handle the damage without much inconvenience.
You seem worried and shouldn't be. Most people there will understand that you had no way of knowing what your employer should have done. |
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Anda
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Jiangsu Province
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: Um |
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| If your current employer hasn't taken you to get your resident permit stamp then they are up for a fine of about 5,000 RMB which is the max. The police can however blame you as they tried to with me but I had been pushing my college to get it done but they said no worries. They got the fine cut down to 2,000 and paid it. The fine is so much per day and the max is 5,000. |
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melilly
Joined: 21 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| If you change schools, the RP must still be valid, you may/should need a new medical and a release letter from your old school, the new school must take this, your contract and other asked for info to the province/city FAO, apply for a new FEC, take the new FEC to the PSB, before the expiration of the RP |
If you change schools with a valid RP how long do you have to process the new FEC with your new school? 2 weeks, 30 days, etc.? |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Melilly
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| If you change schools with a valid RP how long do you have to process the new FEC with your new school? 2 weeks, 30 days, etc.? |
If you don't care about playing it safe, you have until a day before your RP expires. You have until the RP becomes invalid, and then it is too late. It is possible to actually go past the RP expiration date, and just get a little fine. It is also possible to wait until after your RP expires, try to get a new FEC and RP, get fined, and get kicked out of the country.
So if your RP still has two weeks, you still have two weeks to get your FEC. As long as your school brings the FEC to the PSB before the RP expires, otherwise RIP |
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