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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Timeclocks? Reply with quote

My DoS just lit it spill at lunch that we are going to have to clock in and out of work starting tomorrow. This is in response to a couple teachers who habitually show up 'late' for work.

I teach 21 hours a week but we are all 'contractually required' to be on campus for 40 hours a week. Confused

Is this normal? Do all of you have to be at work 8 hours a day??

I have never heard of this 'chain-teachers-to-their-desks-8-hours-a-day-and-hope-they-do-a-better-job' approach anywhere but Thailand...

Seems damn un-professional on the part of my school.
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WhatsGrammar?



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds perfectly normal.

My old school had a fingerprint scanner for clocking in and out. I was contracted to work a 40 hour week the same so it seems reasonable that they require your presence.
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roguegrafix



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until about a year or so ago, the teachers at Rajabhat Kanchanaburi had to sign in every day before 8.30am -- including during their summer holidays. These days, they only have to sign in once a week during holidays.
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laconic



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:02 am    Post subject: Re: Timeclocks? Reply with quote

Master Shake wrote:
My DoS just lit it spill at lunch that we are going to have to clock in and out of work starting tomorrow. This is in response to a couple teachers who habitually show up 'late' for work.

I teach 21 hours a week but we are all 'contractually required' to be on campus for 40 hours a week. Confused

Is this normal? Do all of you have to be at work 8 hours a day??

I have never heard of this 'chain-teachers-to-their-desks-8-hours-a-day-and-hope-they-do-a-better-job' approach anywhere but Thailand...

Seems damn un-professional on the part of my school.


What you describe is very common for Thai schools.

I once worked at a Thai uni where not only did we have to clock in and out, but we we were also monitored on cctv doing it.

I didn't work there long, though. Wink
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like timeclocks are pretty common across Thailand. And our system will be a fingerprint scan as well.

Big Brother has definitely come to Thailand.

But I have never heard of fingerprint scanning or the '40 hour work week' being required in schools in other countries, even other SE Asian countries.

Is fingerprint scanning a Thai thing??

I long for the days when I was teaching in a language school in Poland. In Poland I was required to be in the school for exactly how long it took me to plan and teach a quality lesson, plus a few paid office hours every week when students could come in and ask questions.

This '40 hour work week' crap is for the birds.
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gusto102



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This seems to be a common complaint among foreign teachers here in Thailand. I can't help but wonder why you wouldn't expect this. You are paid as a full time employee so it can only be assumed that you would have to work, or at least, stick around full time hours, ie, 8 hours a day.

The same is expected from the Thai teachers and you are paid 3-4 times more than they are. I can't imagine any job back home where you are paid full time and only spend 20 hours at work. I often wonder why teachers always expect this in Thailand?

Look at it like this. Can you think of any other job back home where you work just 3-4 hours a day and spend the rest chillin' in the office?
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ontoit



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do have to admit to the moral validity of the policy. If you agree to the wage, you have an obligation to be there doing whatever it is you're being paid to do.

The only thing that should cut you any slack is a publication rate that showed you were using your time productively.
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parrothead



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This '40 hour work week' crap is for the birds.


Working in Japan, I'd loooooove to have a 40 hour work week!
I realize that schools in these two countries compensate very differently, but in Japan it is not uncommon to be in the office for 50 hours or more a week. Whether or not actual "work" gets done is another matter...
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gusto102 wrote:
You are paid as a full time employee so it can only be assumed that you would have to work, or at least, stick around full time hours, ie, 8 hours a day.

The same is expected from the Thai teachers and you are paid 3-4 times more than they are. I can't imagine any job back home where you are paid full time and only spend 20 hours at work. I often wonder why teachers always expect this in Thailand?


Why can't Thai schools pay all their teachers for teaching classes and not 'sticking around' for 8 hours a day? Isn't that what we do: teach classes?

I teach for about 21 hours a week. I work 40 hours a week. It doesn't take me, or any other experienced teacher, 19 hours to plan for 21 teaching hours.

English schools in many other countries pay their teachers, even salaried teachers, based on the classes they teach. 20-25 teaching hours a week is considered full-time, regardless of how much time one spends surfing the internet in the teachers' room.

The Thai system pays teachers for 'being there' and does not motivate teachers to make efficient use of their time.

Sorry to hear that Japan is even worse, parrothead.
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scottie1113



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Master Shake, come back to Poland. It's only gotten better.
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Scott,

Truth be told, I'm thinking about a Fall '09 return to Poland.

Drop me an email.
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