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[Phil_K]

In the light of the "New's Divine" (sic) incident and the subsequent "resignation" of Joel Ortega, it occured to me that my first priority would be the reorganization of the police. I don't believe that any country can be truly civilized unless the people have a united (i.e. they all take responibility for everything, as in the UK) police force they can trust. What do others think, and what would be their priority, bearing in mind that idealistic issues, such as the environment are not going to solve Mexico's immediate problems.

[MELEE]

I also think that's the place Mexico should start. One they need to be well paid, but the need to be well educated in return for the pay. It needs to be a career intelligent people would consider entering into.
I also don't like that the transit police are separate. If a "regular" cop sees someone run a red light they do nothing about it 'cause that's not their job. Likewise a transit police will stand on the corner and watch you get mugged. That's just wrong.

[Phil_K]

Yeah, that's exactly what I was getting at, a crazy situation!

[thelmadatter]

Get rid of Ester and her cronies at the teacher's union. Allow for charter schools, like is done in Arizona and other states in the US. While there are some bad apples (Aztlan Academy comes to mind), union teachers generally hate them but parents who give a darn about their kids' education usually love them. May not be feasible in very rural areas, but if you start them someplace, they put pressure on the public schools because they cause competition and show that YES, it can be done better!

Oh and truly independent standardized tests in order to graduate. Say what you will about standardized tests, but teaching to the test is better than what goes on now!

[geaaronson]

I see that the problem is essentially a false priority in job creation by the federal and municipal governments. There are far too many army, paramilitary and policial positions in the country, satisfying the demand for public employment on behalf of the uneducated underclass.

If anything, DF should be contracting, not expanding, its police force by attrition caused by retirement and discharge, and using the funds to upgrade salaries by as much as 50%.

This will slowly erode the corruption issue as would federal intervention, such as an Internal Review board controlled by the feds, not Ebrahd. Let the parties, ie. PAN and PRI gang up and pass legislation to promote federal review of the capital specifically and let PRD scream bloody murder all it wants.


Of course that`s not going to happen.

[Guy Courchesne]

I don't think any single action with the police would provide immediate benefits. Regarding the News Divine incident, there are other factors that contributed to the tragedy. First up would be to build up and enforce building codes so that there are better fire exits. That's a municipal issue and should apply to all municipalities in the country.

Next up...consider how many people were under-aged at this club. That'll happen in many countries of course, but there should likely be stronger fines for bar owners, effectively having them police themselves.

As for having too many police officers as gearonson notes, why not move a good chunk of those folks into positions of building code enforcement and liquor law inspectors?

Phil, the issues seem to me to be just like the environment. Rather than have idealistic grand plans, everything starts with smart planning and reasonable choices.

[thelmadatter]

dixie said;

[MELEE]

I think there are actions with the police that would make a difference. I think a lot of police officers (several of my cousin-in-laws are local police, transit, municipal and auxiliary).

First they need hire pay and more practical continuing education oportunities, they need to know that the government and the citenzenry care about the job they are doing. Mexico needs to put it's money where it's mouth is on the one. As is is now the police force does not give good service because they feel their "employer" doesn't care.

[GueroPaz]

A news vendor in Tapachula was selling papers with a headline about police corruption. I asked him if it would resolve corruption by paying higher salaries. He thought I was loco. What, raise taxes for the government? No.

Police and political corruption is the essence of the culture. I think they do not want to change it. I hope I am wrong.

The massacre of Acteal was committed by civilian paramilitaries who were financed by Seguridad Publica and were sold weapons only allowed to be used by the army. There you have it.

[Phil_K]

[MELEE]

Can you believe I agree with Phil!!!

[Phil_K]

[MO39]

I find myself agreeing with Phil too! But I wonder how realistic it is to think that prepa graduates would consider going into the police force. Isn't the goal of most prepa students a university degree to study for a career in one of the traditional professions (business, law, medicine, engineering)?

[thelmadatter]

OK now... righties and lefties... lets all join hands and sing Kum Ba Ya and the national anthem of your choice!

[MELEE]

I actually I use the word "prepa" quite liberally, generally for all media superior schools. It would be great to see a technical media superior school like CONALEP offer a "law enforcement agent" program!