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guruengerish



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:16 am    Post subject: Fiscal Tax to End January 1, Reply with quote

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Fiscal Tax to End January 1, 2009
Registered Tax Payers to Be Exempted from Rp. 1 Million Fiscal Tax Payment for Traveling Abroad.

(6/30/2008) The Indonesian Director General of Taxation has announced its intention to exempt Indonesian residents who possess an official tax number (NPWP) from paying the unpopular Rp. 1 million (US$107) fiscal charge each time they depart on a foreign trip, effective January 1, 2009.

The fiscal charge, which is settled at special tax kiosks at Indonesian airports and seaports, is technically reimbursable and can be credited against final payroll tax liabilities.

The new move designed to enhance bureaucratic efficiency and encourage Indonesian's to register and pay taxes, will only be available to the estimated 4.9 million individuals who have registered and obtained an official NPWP registration from their local tax office.

Tax officials are hinting that the "fiscal free" facility may only be a temporary measure, with the entire policy up for review on January 1, 2011, two years after the introduction of the trial "fiscal free" period.

Government officials have been quoted in the national press as saying they are confident that any loss in revenues from the fiscal fees will be more than offset by increases in the national taxpayers' base. In 2007, the government collected Rp. 2.5 trillion (US$268.8 million) in fiscal fees. The total fiscal payments collected in 2006 totaled Rp.1.2 trillion (US$129 million).

Under the new facility to take effect on January 1, 2009, travelers need only show the NPWP of the family head to be exempted from paying the fiscal charge. Dependents under the age of 21 can also be exempted under their parent's NPWP, while children under the age of 12 are not required to pay the fiscal fee.
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bule_boy69



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does that mean for ESLers Guru?

Do you fellas have NPWPs?
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guruengerish



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It means that if you head off overseas for a break half way through your contract, you will not have to pay Fiskal. Your school pays fiskal at the end of the contract normally, and even they may get a break and not have to pay when you leave.

If your school actually pays your 10% tax (and ours tried not to) there should be a record of this.

As I had aging parents in Australia, I tried to get home reasonably often, and the Rp1 juta fiskal was a big lump to pay.
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Llamalicious



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guruengerish wrote:
If your school actually pays your 10% tax


Laughing
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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intention to exempt Indonesian residents who possess an official tax number (NPWP)


Well, isn't this good news !! Problem being, tho, that these high-flying decision makers can make all the theoretical decisions they like but if the officials at the airport still won't let you through unless you pay, it will make absolutely no difference at all.
This is the problem in the God forsaken country, ... rules just don't get carried out at grass-root level - either because they're impractical, unenforceable, abiguous or downright ridiculous.
It wil be interesting to see how many of you guys in Indonesia will still be coughing up money (whether the employer reimburses or not) to leave the country in , say, a year's time.
Yes, when it comes to Indonesia and officialdom, I'm the ultimate cynic. I'd love to be proved wrong but I just can't see it happening.
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guruengerish



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Fiskal Reply with quote

Well, every school I worked for paid this at completion of contract. (That includes 2x EF)

I know what you mean about officialdom etc, but at least some Fiskal collectors at international airports know this rule exists.

Hopefully, ESL teachers will be able to obtain a tax number from their employers. One EF school I worked for in Central Java, tried to get us to sign a form stating that we were paid half the salary we actually got, thereby reducing the tax to be paid. Needless to say, none of us would be in his little scam and we refused to sign.

In this case, supplying a tax number might have been a problem. Rolling Eyes

Hopefully, not too many schools try this one.
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malu



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually quite a lot (majority?) of schools both language schools and K12 don't register their bules for tax. My current job is the first one here where I have an NPWP number.
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guruengerish



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:45 am    Post subject: TAX Reply with quote

"Actually quite a lot (majority?) of schools both language schools and K12 don't register their bules for tax."

Wow, that's quite amazing, tho not altogether surprising.

I read recently that only 2% or 3% of wage earners actually pay tax.
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Fishy



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

basiltherat wrote:
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intention to exempt Indonesian residents who possess an official tax number (NPWP)


Well, isn't this good news !! Problem being, tho, that these high-flying decision makers can make all the theoretical decisions they like but if the officials at the airport still won't let you through unless you pay, it will make absolutely no difference at all.
This is the problem in the God forsaken country, ... rules just don't get carried out at grass-root level - either because they're impractical, unenforceable, abiguous or downright ridiculous.
It wil be interesting to see how many of you guys in Indonesia will still be coughing up money (whether the employer reimburses or not) to leave the country in , say, a year's time.
Yes, when it comes to Indonesia and officialdom, I'm the ultimate cynic. I'd love to be proved wrong but I just can't see it happening.
best
basil


Basil, do you have to moan about everything, even good news? Indonesia has many many faults but also has many people trying hard to make it a better place. This is great news.
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Basil, do you have to moan about everything, even good news? Indonesia has many many faults but also has many people trying hard to make it a better place. This is great news.


Fishy, I really admire your optimism ... and I mean that genuinely. As I say, I wish to be proved wrong b/c I still have strong links with the country.

I am sure you are one of those trying your best to improve things and I wish you the best of luck in your endeavours and hard work towards this.

Anyhow, let's wait for the outcome of the intentions they have. If it works out and everything that is intended comes to fruition, I will be the first to heap praise and recognize that the country is finally starting off to head in a positive direction in terms of regulatory implementation benefitting the population.
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basil Smile
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Fishy



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright Basil, sorry if I was a bit short before. I really do feel that things have been changing for the better for the past couple of years since I have been getting to know Indonesia. I arrived back here yesterday after a year in England and I am so happy to be back. Jakarta is infinitely more interesting and exciting than Nottingham or London for that matter.

The first surprise I had was immigration. I was worried as I turned up without any proof of a flight back out as I( have arrived on a tourist visa. The immigration guy looked through my passport at previous visas etc and was very friendly as he welcomed me back. I was expecting money changing hands in a room.

Looks like we could be in for an interesting year though. The presidential election is next year so there will be a battle between SBY who I believe genuinely wants to rid this place of corruption and other people with other interests who will benefit from events that cause instability. We've seen it already begin with the recent "student" demonstrations.

I still feel Indonesia has way less corruption than many western countries. Indonesia's corruption is nothing compared to that of the USA and it's the USA government who are currently engaged in international terrorism to further their own ends.

Only thing I really didn't miss about Indonesia was the bloody mosquitoes who are starting to nibble me so I'm off to bed.
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Nabby Adams



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fishy your post intrigues me. How would you say that Jakarta is way more exciting than London.

London......world class musuems, galleries, concerts, theatre, libraries, seminars, sports, et al. You can meet people from all over the world and from every possible occupation. Whatever your polictical interest you can be sure that there is some kind of group you can meet to discuss your ideas. Whatever hobby likewise. World class architects produce state of the art building in abundance. I could go on.

Dont get me wrong, I love Indonesia, but I don't know in what criteria you find Jakarta so much superior to London?

I would say though that you need to be earning plenty of wedge to be able to afford to live in London. But more exciting?????
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Llamalicious



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fishy wrote:
I still feel Indonesia has way less corruption than many western countries. Indonesia's corruption is nothing compared to that of the USA and it's the USA government who are currently engaged in international terrorism to further their own ends.


Hmm. Whilst I'm not a fan of the war on terror, neither I nor Transparency International agrees with you. (Um, "agrees" or "agree"? And I call myself a teacher. Honestly... Rolling Eyes )

http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/2007-transparency-international-corruption-perceptions.html

Corruption is absolutely endemic in all state agencies, in business, in goverment - hell, even state schools. I'm a fan of Indonesia and what it could be, but I think we need to have our eyes open about this.

Ah, never mind. Welcome back and enjoy your second honeymoon period. Smile
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TEAM_PAPUA



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: * Reply with quote

Schools will produce the tax documents when needed: like when you wish to marry or apply for a loan.

Quote:
officials at the airport still won't let you through unless you pay, it will make absolutely no difference at all


Maybe you would pay Laughing
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Fishy



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nabby Adams wrote:
Fishy your post intrigues me. How would you say that Jakarta is way more exciting than London.

London......world class musuems, galleries, concerts, theatre, libraries, seminars, sports, et al. You can meet people from all over the world and from every possible occupation. Whatever your polictical interest you can be sure that there is some kind of group you can meet to discuss your ideas. Whatever hobby likewise. World class architects produce state of the art building in abundance. I could go on.

Dont get me wrong, I love Indonesia, but I don't know in what criteria you find Jakarta so much superior to London?

I would say though that you need to be earning plenty of wedge to be able to afford to live in London. But more exciting?????


Hello Nabby Adams, I suppose how exciting somewhere is is completely subjective and just opinion. London is a beautiful city with some great attractions, but it is a quite cold unfriendly place imo and once I've been there for a bit I'm happy to leave again. Jakarta on the other hand is exciting and interesting to me all day every day and I'm constantly meeting interesting and friendly people. Each to their own but nothing is dragging me back to the UK again if I can help it. Smile
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