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tingdedong



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:44 am    Post subject: Z-visa changes? Reply with quote

Hi all,
I was hired a while ago to teach English at a high school in Hebei province. I was originally told that documentation required for my Z-visa application would be ready a few weeks ago, but when I asked after it recently, I got this response from the school's foreign affairs person:

"I am sorry to say the procedure for your coming is pretty slow.I am as eager as you to finish the paper work.
Because of the Olympic Games,there are a large number of people coming here.And there is much traffic and many foreigners.The most important thing is to keep safety for everyone who is coming here.So the procedure is quite slow and quite strict.
I'll go to the capital city of our province again when the Olympic games begin.I'll do my best to finish it .But as you know,it is quite special now.

I am still not sure if you can come here before the new term ... maybe a little late.The foreign teachers to other schools are the same in our province,so don't worry.I'll try my best."


That seemed fair enough to me. But today I came across this post from June 2008, which has me seriously freaked out: http://www.allroadsleadtochina.com/index.php/2008/06/08/z-visa-update-the-bigger-picture/
I was born in 1984. Neither the recruiter nor the school have told me about this. Does anyone know whether this rule is being enforced? Are there any 24-and-younger people out there who have gotten a visa for the upcoming school year, or been told that they can't have one?

Please, someone help before I die of nervous tension.
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Anda



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Jiangsu Province

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:03 am    Post subject: Um Reply with quote

We had a couple of threads here on Dave's on it, but no real answer came out of it. Yes a few have been stopped for sure but I could not find the new law on Government sites. Sit tight is the best answer.




http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&q=under+25+Z+visa+restriction+China&btnG=Search


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vikuk



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because of the Olympic Games,there are a large number of people coming here.And there is much traffic and many foreigners

Well I'm afraid to say much of the evidence with hotel bookings (down on normal times) seems to point to the fact that maybe not so many people are coming to China during the Olympic summer (maybe there will be a last minute surge for the actual event) - and much of the problem can be associated with the fact - that just as the original poster has a problem obtaining the required visa, so do a lot of other prospective visitors, that include independent tourists who have an interest in viewing the games.

There is a thread somewhere on Dave's that broaches the topic on the new FT age regulation - and its does seem that many PSB offices are taking rules very seriously at the moment!!!!

There is also a date of October 17 - after which some of the visa restrictions will supposedly be relaxed - but I have a feeling this may focus mainly on F visa application, and L visa for the independent traveler.
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arioch36



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I am sorry to say the procedure for your coming is pretty slow.I am as eager as you to finish the paper work.
Because of the Olympic Games,there are a large number of people coming here.And there is much traffic and many foreigners.The most important thing is to keep safety for everyone who is coming here.So the procedure is quite slow and quite strict.
I'll go to the capital city of our province again when the Olympic games begin.I'll do my best to finish it .But as you know,it is quite special now.

I am still not sure if you can come here before the new term ... maybe a little late.The foreign teachers to other schools are the same in our province,so don't worry.I'll try my best."


Perhaps some others who are better at CHinese could help translate.

In English, this could be, "Well, actually we don't have the right to hire foreign teachers, and the crackdown on visas will keep me from hiring you, but rather then tell you directly, and loose face, I would rather lead you on"
or
" Well, we still need foreign teachers, but I am going to try to get someone cheaper. If that fails, I'll be able to get your invitation letter after all, so please wait while I see if I can find someone cheaper"
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Anda



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject: Um Reply with quote

If it is a government high school then the wages are set and paid by the area education department. If private then I can't see them giving you the run round because Hebei province is generally short of foreign teachers.
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Lorean



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
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Location: Beijing

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

arioch36 wrote:
Quote:
I am sorry to say the procedure for your coming is pretty slow.I am as eager as you to finish the paper work.
Because of the Olympic Games,there are a large number of people coming here.And there is much traffic and many foreigners.The most important thing is to keep safety for everyone who is coming here.So the procedure is quite slow and quite strict.
I'll go to the capital city of our province again when the Olympic games begin.I'll do my best to finish it .But as you know,it is quite special now.

I am still not sure if you can come here before the new term ... maybe a little late.The foreign teachers to other schools are the same in our province,so don't worry.I'll try my best."


Perhaps some others who are better at CHinese could help translate.

In English, this could be, "Well, actually we don't have the right to hire foreign teachers, and the crackdown on visas will keep me from hiring you, but rather then tell you directly, and loose face, I would rather lead you on"
or
" Well, we still need foreign teachers, but I am going to try to get someone cheaper. If that fails, I'll be able to get your invitation letter after all, so please wait while I see if I can find someone cheaper"


Translation:
Our office is staffed with lazy employees. We have been sitting on our hands. Now they are numb. The manager looks pissed off today, so I'd better do something.
We haven't been ontop of things. Just another typical day, month, year. The most important thing is for me is playing with the office computer. The Olympics are a convenient excuse, so I'll blame them.
Ta-ta for now!
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Moon Over Parma



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arioch36 wrote:

" Well, we still need foreign teachers, but I am going to try to get someone cheaper. If that fails, I'll be able to get your invitation letter after all, so please wait while I see if I can find someone cheaper"


It sounds like someone probably pegged the target with this one. I'd bet money that this is the most likely reason.
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vikuk



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If it is a government high school then the wages are set and paid by the area education department

Which means if they can get a teacher for under that set wage budgeted by the local education dept. - then whoopee with the aid of false wage receipts sent to their bosses, they can then pocket the difference. This is a ploy sometimes used by school officials to bump their salaries up Idea
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tingdedong



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Um Reply with quote

Anda wrote:
If it is a government high school then the wages are set and paid by the area education department. If private then I can't see them giving you the run round because Hebei province is generally short of foreign teachers.


It's a government high school.
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Anda



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: Um Reply with quote

Then don't worry as your application will go through. What has happened is someone at the school has been given the job of processing your visa application. They probably have never had to do this before so won't be in the know what as to what to do and have probably thought that it would be a piece of cake and have left it to the last moment but it isn't so easy I can assure you. Now that they are on to it shouldn't take more than two or three weeks.

Keep in mind that your school will have a printing room where you can get photocopies done of a lesson handout. You can do a double sided handout of four A4 pages cut down and pasted I think onto what they call a B3 sheet. This is the best way to go about teaching at a high school level. Get them to read after you either on a conversational script or a story and pair work where possible and answer questions. Do a board conversation on the subject that you have had them read on. Your classes will consist of about 60 students and you will most likely be left to teach on your own. Good luck!
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Leon Purvis



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm inclined to agree with you, Anda. That was the case when I returned to PRC from the states. I applied to a new school and the school didn't know what to do. Apparently, the uni had never hired anyone on a Z visa before. I refused to come in on an L or an F.

It took the school a few tries before it got the paperwork straight.
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jeffinflorida



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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can tell you that several of the teachers i Worked with in Wuxi at a large uni were of the age of 21 to 23 - 24 and they all got new visas for the new term.
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