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Is there a slowdown in ESL jobs? |
Yes, there has been a big decrease in jobs. |
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Yes, there has been some decrease in jobs. |
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About the same |
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No, there has been some increase in jobs. |
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No, there has been a big increase in jobs. |
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I'm just worried about keeping my job, not looking for another one! |
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What slowdown? I'm raking the pesos in! |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: Jobs |
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Does anyone else notice that there seems to be a slowdown in ESL jobs in Mexico? Or is it just me? Maybe things are just a little slow till the schoolyear starts again...
Also, do you think the slow down in the US is having an effect in Mexico yet? |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Holiday time. Same in Europe. Picks up in September. |
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dixie

Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 644 Location: D.F
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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How are you gauging this?
I personally (in the little involvement I have outside of my own job seeking) have thought that things seemed high (or perhaps average), rather than low. I know of three schools that are desperate for teachers (private - the third not sure), another two that just recently hired (despite the candidates not being highly qualified), and that my own school just hired a bus load.
Business English, and in-class language schools seem to be the same as ever (again, from my limited experience). |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Some new taxes and the elimination of deductions for training - so I'm told - are causing a bit of a slowdown in the business EFL area. I think there's simply a shift going on in that companies are likely going to reduce their spending on training. That doesn't mean the need is reduced. I suspect we'll see a lot more people moving into Harmon Hall, Berlitz, etc and paying out of pocket themselves for the classes.
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Also, do you think the slow down in the US is having an effect in Mexico yet? |
Pretty soon, but if it's anything like the 2000/2001 slowdown, the effect will be more people taking extra English classes as the competition for well-paid jobs heats up. That was my experience back then. |
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MELEE

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 2583 Location: The Mexican Hinterland
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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For what I can see the higher education market is growing and will continue to do so as more and more companies ask for English as a requirement to be hired (and there for spend less on corporate training). |
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jfurgers

Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 442 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
Holiday time. Same in Europe. Picks up in September. |
Perhaps that's why I NEVER hear from any of the language schools I apply to. I sent 24 emails with a cover letter and resume attached last Friday and nothing.
I call the ads I see in the papers and they tell me to send them my resume and they'll get back with me. Nothing. I went to Wall Street Institute about a month ago and talked with them. Left my resume and even called them back. Again, nothing.
I see now that from my brief experience in the D.F. that it seems like you can't really believe anything the Mexicans here tell you. Take it with a grain of salt.
This is why I'm going to get the independent visa. Work for myself in my part of the city. Besides, the language centers don't want to pay anything. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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jfurgers wrote: |
spiral78 wrote: |
Holiday time. Same in Europe. Picks up in September. |
Perhaps that's why I NEVER hear from any of the language schools I apply to. I sent 24 emails with a cover letter and resume attached last Friday and nothing.
I call the ads I see in the papers and they tell me to send them my resume and they'll get back with me. Nothing. I went to Wall Street Institute about a month ago and talked with them. Left my resume and even called them back. Again, nothing.
I see now that from my brief experience in the D.F. that it seems like you can't really believe anything the Mexicans here tell you. Take it with a grain of salt.
This is why I'm going to get the independent visa. Work for myself in my part of the city. Besides, the language centers don't want to pay anything. |
I think that for those of us who don't want to work with kiddies and teenagers, going independent makes the most sense, as long as you're good at self-advertising. But keep in mind that when things pick up in the fall, some of those schools you've just sent your resume to may call you in a couple of months when they're hurting for teachers. |
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jfurgers

Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 442 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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MO39 wrote: |
I think that for those of us who don't want to work with kiddies and teenagers, going independent makes the most sense, as long as you're good at self-advertising. But keep in mind that when things pick up in the fall, some of those schools you've just sent your resume to may call you in a couple of months when they're hurting for teachers. |
I agree with you Mo. I'm hoping to get the process going next week for the independent. Seems like the best way to go, especially since I don't want to EVER teach kids. |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: |
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I've noticed a higher turn-over of teachers since I arrived, in all kinds of schools. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:08 am Post subject: |
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TheLongWayHome wrote: |
I've noticed a higher turn-over of teachers since I arrived, in all kinds of schools. |
To what do you attribute it? Are teachers changing jobs, getting fired, leaving Mexico? |
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InTransit
Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Posts: 6
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: |
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MO39 wrote: |
TheLongWayHome wrote: |
I've noticed a higher turn-over of teachers since I arrived, in all kinds of schools. |
To what do you attribute it? Are teachers changing jobs, getting fired, leaving Mexico? |
Well, I think that there are many factors involved in this ... and the answer is pretty much in your second question. In addition, students are not as many as before, people cannot afford English classes, etc. Things are related to these aspects ... it is a circle. Economically, we all hurt in a way ... take a look over the border ...  |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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dixie wrote: |
Business English, and in-class language schools seem to be the same as ever (again, from my limited experience). |
I'm just wondering if this true. Being at the sharp end of the business, I find that even the biggest companies are dithering when it comes to spending their hard-earned on English classes, or they require the employees to pay for the classes themselves, which is worse. |
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dixie

Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 644 Location: D.F
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
dixie wrote: |
Business English, and in-class language schools seem to be the same as ever (again, from my limited experience). |
I'm just wondering if this true. Being at the sharp end of the business, I find that even the biggest companies are dithering when it comes to spending their hard-earned on English classes, or they require the employees to pay for the classes themselves, which is worse. |
As I said it is my limited experience, which is simply that all the people I know working in that field are employed, and not starving.  |
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geaaronson
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 948 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: bad economy |
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Yes, I am finding a substantial drop in recruiter commissioned Business English classes.
The companies are holding back on new classes as they have forfeited the deductibility of corporate training.
The recruiters that I am working with are finding it extremely difficult to get good classes going. The imperative word is good. They are for the most part overselling the classes with very strong sales tactics, much to their credit, but the students`commitments to the classes themselves are weak.
I have learned over the past 2 1/2 years one cardinal rule that has become my first amendment in the TEN COMMANDMENTS of teaching English, namely, should the students come to the first class more than 15 minutes late, the class will more than likely not survive much more than a month.
In the 6 new classes I have started teaching since April, one class began with students late 30 minutes, another 15 minutes, and a third, 20 minutes. All three classes lasted no more than one month. A fourth class that started on time I cancelled because it was in conflict with a class that had more hours, a fifth class, the contact person who collected the money from the students and was a student himself in the class, absconded Junes payment and never turned the money over to the recruiter, and the sixth is still going only because home office warned the 2 sales managers if they didn`t learn to effectively communicate in English in 6 months they could clear out their desks.
In the first class, the company completely cancelled the contract with the recruiter, as was the second and third. The fourth the recruiter cancelled the contract for nonpayment, informed me that I could pick up the account should I want it, (I didn`t, considering the lack of ethics).
So yes, it has been a real nighmare for the past 2 plus months with some very shaky, uncommitted accounts that i have been servicing. Needless to say, not one of the recruiters blames me for their loss as the companies had cancelled all the classes, mine and other teachers`. |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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MO39 wrote: |
TheLongWayHome wrote: |
I've noticed a higher turn-over of teachers since I arrived, in all kinds of schools. |
To what do you attribute it? Are teachers changing jobs, getting fired, leaving Mexico? |
From the perspective of a small town (SLP), there has certainly been a decline in native speakers over the last few years, especially in the backpacker market as the 'discover another culture, learn Spanish, take dancing lessons, working holiday' type promises really don't exist here anymore. Many have left because they came here with this idea and ended up spending more than half their wages on rent and food, working long days, often split shifts, and even Saturdays - all of which leaves no time or energy for anything else. These jobs are now being taken by Mexicans which I guess is good but it doesn't push the wages up.
SLP is also a small 2 mall city/town (though growing rapidly) and is not the kind of place you'd stay unless you had some kind of commitment here or wanted to retire here.
I don't see any economic problems here as far as demand for English classes is concerned. Several new schools have opened up in the last year or so including the infamous Quick Learning. In fact, 6 major schools share almost 2 blocks in one area and none of which seem to be going under. |
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