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Seska
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 Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:52 am Post subject: Something I was wondering... |
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| If I go to ITT Tech and get a B.A in Science, is that admissable as a genuine B.A? |
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SnoopBot
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: |
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No that institution falls under a trade school diploma and the accreditation is not under the National Accreditation Standards listings.
Often these places are considered Diploma Mills even though you actually attended classes. The employers consider them as mills. The exception to ITT would be some type of Industry related technology. Anything that requires a State license would not accept any of these schools and that includes many online programs too.
Education really has become very political correct, any shortcut in education qualifications or police record (even if minor) will cause you to be unemployable in most positions.
Now, in China these things possibly will not matter. Often they don't care or even check credentials at the lower level schools. (In this case you could try doing this program).
Again, if you're going to spend the money and time for school, I would pick one that gives you upward mobility and can enhance your career in the future.
Having a degree/diploma in one of these institutions might come back and haunt you in your future. I've seen this happen to others in various fields..
(Also you cannot go to graduate school for a master's degree if you hold one of these trade school diploma's) |
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Seska
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, Don't get me wrong, I want to get atleast an M.A in Foreign Languages in the future. So I guess ITT Tech is out. lol.
I guess I'll try to get a job without qualifications and hope that teaching under the table helps improve my chances, of course, with no references because they're all...well... either out of the country, or only God knows where... bah, I guess I'll put "Unable to confirm teaching experience." Let them write it off as "None" or "Minor". |
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North China Laowei
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: See Below |
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The Chinese are not going to push the issue that much as Snoopbot did. Accreditation is way beyond the pale of their consideration.
I actually know a person who graduated from a technology institute with a BA in Massage Therapy and this person has been successfully working here for several years. |
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China.Pete
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: Getting a Life |
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| I have to agree with North China Laowei on this one. Schools are demanding at least a bachelor's degree because it's a requirement for getting your working visa (actually, these would qualify as higher-end employers in China in that they're actually concerned with recruiting legal employees, but that's another thread). Accordingly, such schools probably couldn't give a fig if your degree came from a top-rated school or not. What SnoopBot is talking about, I believe, is the importance of preparing yourself for life after China, or some future date when Chinese standards may begin to approach those already extent in the West. Since you don't seem to have much of a life in the West at the moment, OP, this may or may not be of concern to you, at least over the next year or so. |
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SnoopBot
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Getting a Life |
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| China.Pete wrote: |
| I have to agree with North China Laowei on this one. Schools are demanding at least a bachelor's degree because it's a requirement for getting your working visa (actually, these would qualify as higher-end employers in China in that they're actually concerned with recruiting legal employees, but that's another thread). Accordingly, such schools probably couldn't give a fig if your degree came from a top-rated school or not. What SnoopBot is talking about, I believe, is the importance of preparing yourself for life after China, or some future date when Chinese standards may begin to approach those already extent in the West. Since you don't seem to have much of a life in the West at the moment, OP, this may or may not be of concern to you, at least over the next year or so. |
Exactly my meaning 100%.. |
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Moon Over Parma
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Something I was wondering... |
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| Seska wrote: |
| If I go to ITT Tech and get a B.A in Science, is that admissable as a genuine B.A? |
I'm going to play bad cop on this one.
If you are in a hurry to come and teach in China and are willing to do anything that just skirts above the line as admissible and legal: why don't you man up and get an actual bachelors degree. If you want it fast, legal and internationally recognisable then follow this advice:
Go to your local community college and get an AA by spending a year and doubling up on courses. After that, spend a year (Fall, Spring and Summer semesters) at a nearby college getting a BA that is accredited. Try any subject. Also, look into actual accredited distance learning schools to begin your undergraduate work. Any reputable distanced learning school will point you to legitimate, accredited brick-and-mortar schools where you can complete your degree (transferring credits) by attending a single semester in-person and thus possess your final degree without the online stigma. These places exist if you are desperate.
By the time you've achieved this you will be ready for teaching abroad and doors of opportunity will open up beyond China (should you sour on China) and even ESL abroad.
You are looking for a quick solution and it will only bite you in the end. Really. China's changing, and the days of being able to float by on a song and dance are dwindling. Unless you find that pocket of opportunity you're going to find yourself jumping into and out of proverbial minefields. Here's an example: one of my new co-workers doesn't have a degree but managed to finagle a job at the school I am at simply based on her gender. She admitted as much. The school wanted female teachers and were so desperate to get a native speaker that they settled on her, even though she meets none of their other qualifications. The fact she was already in China with one year's experience under her belt (at a school that sounded like a hell on earth). She was desperate for work, found the job under Angelina's because many schools didn't bite when she approached them directly. As a result she is going to make far less for her base salary, has to travel a lot while the rest of us do not, and she has to work substantially greater overtime to make what teachers with a degree (that did not go through Angelina's) will be making. She is a native speaker. She is not a dummy (well, when it comes to teaching, at least). Her options were, are and will always be limited without guangxi. She seemed resigned to accepting the lowest pay just to stay in China since she cannot legally teach in more stringent countries in the region. She's making about 4000RMB as a base salary while the rest of us have substantially higher salaries (and fewer hours to work). Her mobility will always be limited. She will have to rely on obtaining jobs through recruiters, working in schools that are desperate, or on sheer luck (which is a wild card, at best).
It's important that you realise the lifestyle you may encounter in China under your circumstances will not be an easy one. While most FTs are expendable, you'll be the low man on the totem pole. With the fickle law enforcement from central and provincial governments you could benefit from lackadaisical enforcement, or find yourself the first on a chopping block of rules seemingly pulled out of nowhere and on a whim. Luck and guangxi are about all you can fall on when and if the shit hits the fan.
Good luck.
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Seska
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know, I'm kind of willing to trust the Carlin fan. lol.
Alright, community college it is, I'll CLEP too. |
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| Several postings discussing fake degrees and qualifications have been deleted. Repeats will result in sanctions for the offending members. |
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