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Song&Dance · Joined: 04 Jul 2008 Posts: 176

SAFEA regs have long provided that anyone over 60 should not be issued a FEC.

Anyone in China 5 years continuously should not be issued a FEC.

No one should be issued a FEC to teach a 3rd year at the same school.

For years these regs have been either ignored or circumvented.

Beijing is reportedly tightening application and enforcement of these regs.

However, 5 of my friends in Beijing were just issued a FEC for September '08 and they all violate all three regs.

I was offered a job at a major, famous uni and they asked me to work on an F visa due to my ineligibility under all 3 regs. I steadfastly refused and after two weeks of refusing they produced the FEC for Sept. '08. Then I told them to take their job and shove it.

How many times do I have to tell you? This is China!

Anda · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province

Um, they want two years teaching experiance at many places and then they don't want someone that stays and does a good job to stay. They must have got their brains from a rubish tip.

eslstudies · Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 1061 Location: East of Aden

Two good friends were refused re-employment at their uni of several years on the above grounds. They were rapidly snapped up in Taiwan at 4X the salary.
DIME
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Mature
Expertise

China is, as on many other ocassions, shooting itself in the foot. Why are all its brightest young people studying and working overseas, never to return unless on vacation?

A'Moo · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:57 am Post subject: Re: Um

Anda · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province

A'Moo my students marks go up wherever I work and I have nothing to do with the exams. My private students in Korea used to win all the competitions. I couldn't care less about what you think of my grammar. I am also popular as a teacher.

therock · Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 1266 Location: China

Lobster · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:11 am Post subject:

A good friend of mine, 65+ and an excellent teacher, couldn't get his FEC renewed this year and had to leave his Shanghai uni position. What a terrible loss!

RED

jwbhomer · Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 876 Location: CANADA

Yep, ageism is rampant in China, in spite of the Chinese self-professed respect for elders.
As for the regulations, my impressions and experience suggest that the regulations exist only as an excuse for employers to get rid of you if you offend someone or don't have any guanxi.

Ger · Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 334

A Chinese doctor of medicine, who was supposed to teach me Chinese, actually taught me that there are many English words that I do/did not know. One such word was:-

senescence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senescence

A'Moo · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: um

Song&Dance · Joined: 04 Jul 2008 Posts: 176

Personal insults are not helpful and do not contribute to the body of useful knowledge

A'Moo and Anda, you are both better than that so why the heck don't you knock it off?

Anda · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province

I am not in the habit of starting such things. For instance I have never once started anything against A'Moo, it has always been the other way round. I do however defend myself.

This last attempt at insulting me is ridiculous to say the least. It is obvious that he has he own personal vendetta against me as he is not in the habit of writing helpful things on the work related board normally.

North China Laowei · Joined: 08 Apr 2008 Posts: 419

In this particular case I also have to concur with Anda. Indeed he has had the sh*t tossed at him. And frankly, Achoo, you have also tossed at me in other posts...so let's return to the topic, like a previous poster suggested in a polite, civilized manner.

As for the age limit, it is about the least enforced item of all items in China. The age limit is not set by SAFEA; it is not set by the PSB; rather, it is set by the local FEB's, to where the power from the almost totally defanged SAFEA has devolved. SAFEA considerations have become practically meaningless these days and if you don't believe it, try to have one of them enforced if your contract has been breached...

I know uni's that have teachers in their late 60's and even early 70's. I know middle and primary schools in the same situation. The age limit is used on an arbitrary basis when there is any shadow of a problem and the school or employer needs an excuse.

As for the five year limit, that is also practically never applied these days anymore. It is used as a means of ousting a no-longer wanted teacher.

This is China, after all, and for most rules involving foreigners, there is a work-around in place. In most cases...but perhaps not always.

A'Moo · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject:

I am simply stating a case that, if parents are paying good money to have somebody teach their children, then they can at least expect a backpacking-type that can spell and speak in complete sentences.
You are more than welcome to come to the defence of Anda's english, I however, feel there is no defence...
As far as the topic is concerned, its somewhat old hat, and unfortunate, but thats life...Elder teaching professionals are welcomed in many areas, but if you want a cushy gig in GZ quoting scripture, maybe a bit more difficult to find..

Lobster · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject:

I'm certain that an erudite fellow like you can make a case witout resorting to insulting comments and put-downs. Style and writing mechanics are certainly important, but content and tone cannot be overlooked when evaluating someone's written work. In the end, a post here is not an attempt to gain a Pulitzer prize.

RED