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scot47
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 Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: IZMIR and Giles Milton |
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Has anyone read Giles Milton's book on Izmir ? "Paradise Lost". All part of the revisionist tendency in historiography. "Ottomans - good. Kemalists - bad."
Perhaps I am being too hasty in my judgment. I have not READ the book yet ! |
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FGT
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| I'm half way through it. It does seem somewhat biased and is irritating in a) not providing a complete bibliography and b) referring to places by their old names (eg Cordelio, Bournabat) without a glossary to connect them to the modern names. I know "Bournabat" = Bornova, "Paradise" = Sirinyer etc but some of them defeat me. Oh for a good map and glossary in the book! |
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scot47
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I am halfway through it and irritated by his identification with the "Levantines" ie the Anglicised super-rich of that period. I would prefer to have what the Germans call the "Froschenperspektive" ! |
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scot47
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| He seems to rely exclusively on sources in English. A readable book, and enough to make me re-examine my Kemalist position ! |
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007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| He seems to rely exclusively on sources in English. A readable book, and enough to make me re-examine my Kemalist position ! |
Kemalism!!
Well, Uncle Scotty, don't you know that Kemalism is dead in 2002, and if you stay as you are, then you are a big looser! 
I thought you are an old socialist with a Scottish flavour! |
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scot47
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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007 I am shocked that you dare to criticise the founder of Modern Turkey !
Well better Mustafa Kemal than Enver Pasha ! Or would you be a supporter of Mehmet Vahdettin ? |
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scot47
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| I can rest now that I have unmasked our Naughty Numerical as an agent of Mehmet Vahdettin, working for the re-establishment of the Caliphate. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| Mark Mazower's book "Salonica" is better written, original and more interesting. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| The Numbered Feline has not been back to this thread. Strange ! |
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