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El Gallo · Joined: 05 Feb 2007 Posts: 318

So if you could vote in the US Presidential Election, would it be for Obama or McCain? (everyone's welcome to participate in the poll)

throwdownyourcrutches · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject:

I rarely vote the two main parties, two sides of the same dirty coin. According to my friends I often "throw my vote away" but I either feel good about who I vote for or I don't vote. I never pick the lesser of two evils Given the two choices you allow, I would pick McCain.

jfurgers · Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 442 Location: Mexico City

I'm a teacher and I don't consider myself to be a liberal at all. Nor am I a conservative. There may be bits and pieces of ideologies that I take from both parties but I am not loyal to either party because they BOTH belong to corporations, not the people.
Campaigns cost how many MILLIONS of dollars? Who helps pay for that? Working folks? No way! Corporations. I consider myself an independent and that happened right after the 2004 elections. Right before the elections all I heard was....chatter chatter...we're going to be attacked again and soon!!!!!
The day after Bush won....all of the chatter stopped. And the Dems? They care too much about the criminals! Someone enters your house and you shot them liberals cry why?!!!! The poor criminal! You bad tax paying law abiding person!!!
Or....treat the Islamic TERRORISTS in Guantonimo with respect!!! Yea I wnat to be nice to an Islamic terrorist who wants to cut my head off. All politicians in the States and Mexico,the whole world actually, only care about power and money. I'll vote for any independent or third party candidate on the ballot in November.

McCain...Bush #3
Obama...Connected to America hating liberals.

Guy Courchesne · Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City

Let me give you an odd one...I'm Canadian, and very liberal, but would vote McCain if given the choice (and in the US, democratic elections rarely involve choice).

A third, non-corporate, non-anti-world, non-Ralph Nader option would be interesting, but not within the American sphere of things yet I think...

MO39 · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject:

I don't like to get into stupid fights on-line, but I really must protest jfurgers' comment about "America hating liberals". I am a proud liberal and don't hate America, though there are many things about American society that I do not approve of. You have no right to label me and my fellow liberals that way, just as I wouldn't denigrate the patriotism of American conservatives though I disagree with most of the things they stand for.

I suppose I should blame jfurgers' attitude towards liberals on Ronald Reagan and his ilk, who in the early 1980s managed to turn "liberal" into a dirty word, replacing "pinko commie" in the vernacular of those who need some group in their society to blame all their woes on.

jfurgers · Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 442 Location: Mexico City

jfurgers · Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 442 Location: Mexico City

notamiss · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject:

The meaning of both "liberal" and "Liberal" is so different in Canada than the US that I hardly know how I would describe myself in terms that would make sense on the US spectrum. "Witch with a 'b,'" as Americans quaintly put it, comes to mind, because from what I observe in US polit-speak, that word appears to mean "woman with whose politics I strongly disagree". We have that word, too, but it really doesn't have anything to do with politics.

MO39 · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject:

That's a good question, notamiss. The original, dictionary meaning of "liberal" is "one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways". In the political sense, at least in the US, I've taken to mean being located somewhere on the political spectrum between left-wing and middle-of-the-road. Nowadays, due to the demonizing of the word that began with Reagan and Company in the 1980s, it has taken on a more sinister meaning. Perhaps one of the anti-liberal posters on this thread, are you there jfurgers?, can present his interpretation of the term.

sweeney66 · Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 147 Location: "home"

Actually, I'm more of an anarcho-syndicalist.

MO39 · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject:

sweeney66 · Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 147 Location: "home"

I was being a smart-alec, but I am a great admirer of Emma Goldman, the IWW, (known as Wobblies) John Reed, the Haymarket 8, Saul Alinsky, et al.
There might still be an organized group of them somewhere, I don't know. They'd be pretty darn old, though!
The basic tenant of belief is self-government by each through voluntary co-operation. They were among the first labor organizers in the US, back in the nineteen-teens.

Does it matter if we vote? It didn't in the last two elections, as I recall. My feet cast a meaningful vote about 5 years ago, though.

I don't trust any of 'em.

But I wouldn't vote for a Republican with a gun to my head.

sarliz · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 198 Location: Jalisco

MO39 · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:34 am Post subject:

MO39 · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:38 am Post subject: