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jsteventon



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Validity time of invitation letter? Reply with quote

Hi
I have been issued the invitation letter, but due to a medical problem have had to delay my start in China. I have been told that the invitation letter is valid for 3 months only.
My query is this - is that 3 months the time frame before applying for the Z visa in my country? Or is it the time-frame within which I must apply for work permit and finalise everything in China?
Thanks a lot - any info much appreciated...
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North China Laowei



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:57 am    Post subject: See Below Reply with quote

Dear OP,

The Invitation Letter is issued on the premise that you will commence employment on a certain date with a specific employer. In the public sector, invitation letters are usually more-or-less time sensitive -- meaning even if they are good for 90-days from date of issuance, if the employer expects yon on September 1, 2008 and you arrive on December 1, 2008, you might be in for a very big surprise.

If you are being considered by a language mill or private sector company, then all of this is at their entire discretion -- they may or may not be willing to wait for you, they may or may not invalidate the letter of invitation.

The current market is totally skewed here in China because of the g*mes and the visa difficulties that have arisen as a result of this. Nonetheless, the Chinese are quite savvy or leery so to speak of the "I'm ill, I'll arrive in a little while" gig...not that I am doubting you, not at all, truly, it's just that their experience is that this has, at least in the past, been a subterfuge for "I'm really looking for another job".

The bottom line is this. In your shoes, I would contact the employer, lay out the situation, indicate a proposed date of arrival and judge their reaction accordingly. The current job market is a job hunter's market, so to speak, and this may give you a great deal of leverage, depending upon the institution, its credibility, etc., etc.

But please remember that if you decide to use their letter of offer / invitation, etc., with the intent of coming here and going to work somewhere else, well, under the current rules, you may find things really, really difficult or complicated, including a trip out-of-the-country.

Please let us know how this plays out and all the best to you,

NCL
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But please remember that if you decide to use their letter of offer / invitation, etc., with the intent of coming here and going to work somewhere else, well, under the current rules, you may find things really, really difficult or complicated, including a trip out-of-the-country.


Because before they send you the work permit, the school tears off the top perforated portion. When you show up in China, your employer must show that serial numbered piece to the authorities and it must match the numbers of the one used to secure your your visa - proving you are going to work for the party that sponsored you.

What NCL said.
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North China Laowei



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: See Below Reply with quote

Teatime of Soul wrote:
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But please remember that if you decide to use their letter of offer / invitation, etc., with the intent of coming here and going to work somewhere else, well, under the current rules, you may find things really, really difficult or complicated, including a trip out-of-the-country.


Because before they send you the work permit, the school tears off the top perforated portion. When you show up in China, your employer must show that serial numbered piece to the authorities and it must match the numbers of the one used to secure your your visa - proving you are going to work for the party that sponsored you.

What NCL said.


Really thanks for the precise information. I hope others on the board take note of your answers...just in case..
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seperley



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will the consulate accept that paperwork within ninety days of issuance when you send it in for the visa?

The school will never see my copy after it sends it to me. And my current letter of invitation has NO perforated top.

Mine has an approximate arrival date, however. If I send the letter of invitation AFTER that date, will the Chinese consulate honor it and issue a visa, or must I ask for another letter of invitation from the provincial government via the school?
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jsteventon



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:26 am    Post subject: Letter of invitation Reply with quote

Hi again,

Thanks for all the information - however I most definitely wish to work for the school which got me the invitation letter - no 'funny business' here...just concern about the validity period, as I wrote in my first post.
I am sure it is all specified on the invitation letter, but I cannot read Chinese....
Any more answers to my original post and to the last poster would be much appreciated.
I am wondering at what point the school would have to get me a fresh invitation letter in order to make the process possible...

Much appreciated.
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North China Laowei



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:39 am    Post subject: Re: Letter of invitation Reply with quote

jsteventon wrote:
Hi again,

Thanks for all the information - however I most definitely wish to work for the school which got me the invitation letter - no 'funny business' here...just concern about the validity period, as I wrote in my first post.
I am sure it is all specified on the invitation letter, but I cannot read Chinese....
Any more answers to my original post and to the last poster would be much appreciated.
I am wondering at what point the school would have to get me a fresh invitation letter in order to make the process possible...

Much appreciated.


Dear OP,

To a certain degree, you are "wondering aloud" so to speak...the best thing for you to do is to contact the school and to see if (a) they will agree to a delayed arrival (they might not, then they might) and (b) if you would require another invitation letter (with all the rigamamorle that that entails on the part of the school).

I have gone back and read all of your posts in all of the threads to get a better handle on things and so far I have been able to determine that you are a single parent, and that probably you are in Indonesia or somewhere like that at the moment, and that, most importantly, you have been considering a China stint off-and-on for a while. So all of that just makes me wonder if, but forgive me.

In any case, I think that we have honestly tried to explain to you that the letter is good for a set period of time, and there is an expected arrival date indicated on the letter, etc, etc. and all of this will have a direct impact upon the issuance of a Z visa.

But most importantly, and this is something that you need to consider, if you are NOT an Indonesian citizen, and you are in Indonesia at the moment, according to current Chinese consular regulations, you will be required to return to your HOME country to secure the Z visa. There was an American on this Board who lives in Germany who encountered the same problem and there was a British person on this Board who lives in Bulgaria who encountered the same problem, etc., etc.

With all of the terversigations that you are currently contemplating, and given the current state of affairs here, and being that prudence is the mother of all virtues, etc., etc., if I were in your shoes, I would surely contact the Chinese Consulate General in Djakarta and ascertain whether or not they will even issue you a Z visa if you are out-of-country at the moment.

All the best,

NCL
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jamesmollo



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:42 am    Post subject: invitation letter Reply with quote

You have 3 months from the date of issue of the invitation letter to deal with your visa in your home country. There will be a date on your letter for beginning the contract in china, this can be changed. the z-visa gives you 90days (in china) to have it changed to the required residence permit.
If you have a medical problem best keep this to yourself until it is resolved. If it is a serious problem you won't be able to work - depending on what it is.
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North China Laowei



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: invitation letter Reply with quote

jamesmollo wrote:
You have 3 months from the date of issue of the invitation letter to deal with your visa in your home country. There will be a date on your letter for beginning the contract in china, this can be changed. the z-visa gives you 90days (in china) to have it changed to the required residence permit.
If you have a medical problem best keep this to yourself until it is resolved. If it is a serious problem you won't be able to work - depending on what it is.


Most of this correct..but you do not have 90-days to have a Z visa changed into a working permit..at least where I am and under the current rules...the Z visa allows a one-time entry with an entry period of thirty days in which to secure the issuance of a residence permit.

Re the medical, yes, that is indeed true, but the question I asked remains -- can the OP secure a Z visa in a third-world country in which he or she is not ostensibly a resident?
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arioch36



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As best I remember you have 3 months to use the invitation letter to get a z-visa. Then you have three months to use the z-visa.
Once you arrive in CHina, as NCL said, the z-visa gives you only 30 days. This I know 100%
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jamesmollo



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:09 pm    Post subject: mistake Reply with quote

My mistake there sorry folks. When I got my z-visa recently there was a note stapled into my passport to have it changed to a residence permit within 30 days of entry into china. and to report to the p.s.b
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North China Laowei



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: See Below Reply with quote

arioch36 wrote:
As best I remember you have 3 months to use the invitation letter to get a z-visa. Then you have three months to use the z-visa.
Once you arrive in CHina, as NCL said, the z-visa gives you only 30 days. This I know 100%


Arioch36,

Thanks for the assistance. Some friends, however, who have recently secured Z visas in the States were not given a 90-day entry period but rather 30-day entry periods. I was surprised but I saw it in their respective passports.

Things are just not so uniform around here at the moment.

NCL


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arioch36



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ncl

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have recently secured Z visas in the States were not given a 90-day entry period but rather 30-day entry periods


please clarify...once they got their z-visa, they only had 30 days in which to use it?
Which I can believe, I did not give that as a 100%, especially with the olympic stuff, but please clarify
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North China Laowei



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: See Below Reply with quote

Dear Arioch36,

Excuse my incomplete answer. When I reread it, I saw that it was not complete.

I have two colleagues, each of whom were issued Z visas in the United States. The deadline for entry into China (meaning the time to use the visa) was reduced from 90-days in both cases to 30-days in each case and then the stay itself, once they entered, was still 30-days, non-renewable.

All the best,

NCL
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jsteventon



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Time-frame Reply with quote

Thanks to all of you for your insightful answers....very useful.
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