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Dress Code in KSA

 
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paradox3696



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:04 am    Post subject: Dress Code in KSA Reply with quote

hi folks. I will be flying into KSA in a few days and would like to know the followings:

1. Is office attire with a tie a norm to go to work in Saudi? or is there a specific dress code that foreigners need to follow?

2. When flying into KSA, is it okay if I just wear jean and a polo shirt? I just want to make sure that I dont show disrespect to the locals.

Thanks
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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming you are male Laughing : yes, a tie and a dress shirt are usually required at work. Some men wear jackets, and others keep a jacket on a hook in the office just in case an important visitor arrives.

Since many oil workers fly into KSA, jeans and a polo shirt are pretty standard attire when arriving at the airport. IMHO, a pair of khakis and a cotton (not knit )button-up shirt might attract less attention at customs, if you are concerned about that. It will also be cooler than heavy denim jeans.

Don't feel that you have to bring a lot of work clothes with you. Male teachers in KSA are not exactly fashion icons, so you won't have to worry about the competition. Also, men's clothing in normal sizes is widely available here in shopping malls, and if you are not a normal size, there are very good and quite reasonable tailoring services available.

It is very hot here. Think cotton, cotton, cotton.
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007



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if you are a Malaysian (or look like a Malaysian), then the best dress for you is the Malaysian dress. Because if you wear a jean and polo shirt, then the Saudi will think you are a Pilipino maid or a chauffeur, and you will not get a proper respect from some of them! Laughing
I have seen a lot of Malaysians here, especially during Ramadan and Hajj events, with their traditional dress, and they are very respected by the locals and other people.
So, my advice is: Think Malaysian, Malaysian, and Malaysian.

Good luck.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With regard to dress code for work it depends on the employer. In general the rule is, the worse the employer, the more draconian the dress code. So if you work in the language school equivalent of Mcdonalds you will be expected to wear jacket and tie like a posh waiter. If you work somewhere better, few will bother, and nobody will complain if you dress in shirt and chinos like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates.

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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, if you are a Malaysian (or look like a Malaysian), then the best dress for you is the Malaysian dress. Because if you wear a jean and polo shirt, then the Saudi will think you are a Pilipino maid or a chauffeur, and you will not get a proper respect from some of them!
I have seen a lot of Malaysians here, especially during Ramadan and Hajj events, with their traditional dress, and they are very respected by the locals and other people.
So, my advice is: Think Malaysian, Malaysian, and Malaysian


007, I hate to break it to you, but Singapore and Malaysia are two different countries. They broke off in the early 1960s. The poster's location is Singapore, which is NOT a Muslim-dominated country. Most of Singapore's population is ethnic Chinese, with a small percentage of ethnic Malay Muslims. The Singaporean traditional dress for men is similar if not identical to that of the Malaysians, but it would probably get some odd stares in the airports.

I agree with you that "dressing down" could cause the poster to be viewed as a laborer and thus be treated disrespectfully. I still think the best solution is khakis and a button-down shirt.
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007



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mia Xanthi wrote:
007, I hate to break it to you, but Singapore and Malaysia are two different countries.

Well, Teta Mia, do not hate yourself, it is not good for your health in the magic kingdom! Laughing
Of course, I know that Singapore is not Malaysia, and Malaysia is not Singapore!
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The poster's location is Singapore, which is NOT a Muslim-dominated country. Most of Singapore's population is ethnic Chinese, with a small percentage of ethnic Malay Muslims.

Well, teta Mia, I based my assumption that paradox3696 is a Malaysian, from the following statement from him, on 'Saudi Employment Visa Process & Requirements for Malaysi' thread.

paradox3696 on 9th of August: wrote:
Hi folks, I just thought this post might be helpful to fellow Malaysians who are applying for Saudi Employment Visa. I am thankful to those
Malaysians who are already in KSA and have been extremely helpful in
lending me a hand during my visa application.
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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My apologies, 007. I come from a country where most people have no idea of the difference between Singapore and Malaysia, so I jumped in on a false assumption.

So, paradox 3696, can we look forward to seeing you in your songkok?
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paradox3696



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank folks for the reply and the info. I have a much better sense of the dressing code in KSA and will prepare myself accordingly. It is equally interesting to note that you folks are quite familiar with the 2 countries (namely, Malaysia and Singapore) culturally and the ethnic makeup of the 2 countries.

I will enjoy the few days remain in the States with fresh air (7000 feet above sea level) and USDA choice beef LOL.

Thanks all again for the replies.
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mistral



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:08 am    Post subject: Appropriate attire Reply with quote

Newcomers are advised not to arrive wear the traditional thobe and gutra. They'll think you've applied to join the Secret Police (yes they do exist). As for your first day in academia, dress conservatively. Wear a tie just to be on the safe side. With regard to members of the g*y community, try to dress down so as not to attact too much attention. You'll get plenty of that later. Your new buddies'll spot you immediately anyway. You won't have to look far for friends in the Middle East.

NB. Skirts and those black garbage can liners called abeyas are generally worn well below the knee.


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mouse5



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:21 am    Post subject: Ahlan Wa Sahlan! Reply with quote

It means "Welcome". You reply "Ahlan Beak". And look as if you're delighted to have come all this way!

Look forward to meeting you paradox. Remember. Look cool!
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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NB. Skirts and those black garbage can liners called abeyas are generally worn well below the knee.


Average "black garabage can liners" can cost 750 - 1000 SAR to have tailored, and usually have lovely detail and design. Furthermore, not only are they worn well below the knee, they usually must drag the floor. Some tailors will not shorten them to ankle length.
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mistral



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:43 am    Post subject: abeyas Reply with quote

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Furthermore, not only are they worn well below the knee, they usually must drag the floor. Some tailors will not shorten them to ankle length.

Ladies coming to the Kingdom for the first time, please don't let this put you off. Westerners don't have to wear anything like the full abeya worn by Saudi women, particularly in the Eastern Province, which is much less conservative.

On your weekend trips to Bahrain you can wear whatever you want. Most Saudi women do too!
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Westerners don't have to wear anything like the full abeya worn by Saudi women


Contrary to what is often assumed, there is not actually a strict codified law about what "Westerners" (or anyone else) must wear, but it is very much expected that all women wear the 'full abeya' when in public. Foreign women certainly don't have to cover their faces, and can often get away with not covering their heads, but with few exceptions, abayas must be worn in pubic. And yes, they are ankle length, if not longer. As Mia says, they can also be very elegant, and only need to resemble 'black bin liners' when worn by members of Club 500.
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