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Oxford TESL good enough?

 
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Coco41



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: Oxford TESL good enough? Reply with quote

Hi all, just have a few quick questions and if I could get some help that would be fantastic

I'm a 19 year old (and planning on going with my friend who's 18 ) just out of high school and I want to go teach English overseas for a year. I don't really want to do this as a career, just as a job that lets me see a bit of the world.

With that in mind, would an Oxford Seminars course be adequate to suit my needs? I haven't heard any fantastic things about it, compared to the Cambridge CELTA, with the little feedback I could get online. However, as I mentioned, this is intended to be a job and not a career, so do I really need the CELTA, or some other, more intensive course? These courses cost more, but more importantly, most of the courses in my area (Winnipeg, Manitoba) start at dates which would enable me to finish them in March at the earliest. This is particularly inconvenient for me, which is why it would be really nice if the Oxford course was good enough.

If it makes a difference, I would be planning on going to a warmer, tropical country, such as Argentina, Indonesia, Peru, etc. Darn Winnipeg winters:P

So would the Oxford course be good enough to meet my needs? Do I need to bite the bullet and take the CELTA or some other similar course?

Also, Global Tesol is running a course in Winnipeg around the same time as Oxford is. Would Global Tesol be better for me?

Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOt to be negative, but without a degree, you've got limited options, degrees are often a requirement to get a visa. Though you might want to look into doing a gap year.

If Oxford has 120 hours and 6 teaching students, then yes it's be ok. BUt I don't think that it does.

Even though you're only planning on doing it for a year, you should be as qualified as you can get. Would you like someone teaching you a language that has only studied how to teach for 20 hours or so?

On the other hand, Latin America is pretty easy to break into. People teach on tourist visas and border hop. BUt you'llhave to put up with back pay, about 5 or 6 dollars an hour, long days, split shifts, and lots of travelling.

I saw you're interested in Peru, I've been here four years, taught at unis, institutes, and international schools, if you have questions, drop me a line. BUt don't think it's too warm here, you can see your breath in winter.

Rather than think of Global TESOL or Oxford, look for a course that fulfills your needs, helps with job placement and is at least 120 hours.

GOod luck
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may find that age could be a bit of a problem. People are paying money, but when those people look at you, they will see 'high school student'. I'm not saying that you can't do it, you definately can. But when potential employers see 'high school student' they may think 'easily taken advantage of'
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing that both Global and Oxford lack is teaching practice on real students (not peer trainees) with feedback on how it went from experienced teachers. Most reputable employers consider this hands-on practice key to a training course and therefore won't give much credibiilty to either of the courses you mention.

I agree that your age will also be a problem for employers, whether or not that's justified.
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Coco41



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
The thing that both Global and Oxford lack is teaching practice on real students (not peer trainees) with feedback on how it went from experienced teachers. Most reputable employers consider this hands-on practice key to a training course and therefore won't give much credibiilty to either of the courses you mention.

I agree that your age will also be a problem for employers, whether or not that's justified.


Yeah, we realize we're very young, but have heard that you CAN still get jobs, just that it may be a bit harder. We understand that we can't be picky, if we are to get jobs.

I have a connection to the local elementary school, at which ESL (German / Russian) is taught, and I may be able to get my friend and I some substantial hours teaching that ESL class, supervised, and with a letter of recommendation / approval from the regular teacher.

Would those hours, on top of the Oxford course, be enough, do you think?

Another option we had thought of was traveling to Costa Rica and taking a CELTA course there. Our only worry is that once we finish the course, we would not be able to find jobs in Costa Rica. Is this a legitimate worry, or would the CELTA certification be likely to get us jobs if we looked hard enough, despite our ages?

Again, any and all feedback is greatly appreciated! Smile
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coco41 wrote:
Yeah, we realize we're very young, but have heard that you CAN still get jobs, just that it may be a bit harder. We understand that we can't be picky, if we are to get jobs.
I have a connection to the local elementary school, at which ESL (German / Russian) is taught, and I may be able to get my friend and I some substantial hours teaching that ESL class, supervised, and with a letter of recommendation / approval from the regular teacher.
Would those hours, on top of the Oxford course, be enough, do you think?
Another option we had thought of was traveling to Costa Rica and taking a CELTA course there. Our only worry is that once we finish the course, we would not be able to find jobs in Costa Rica. Is this a legitimate worry, or would the CELTA certification be likely to get us jobs if we looked hard enough, despite our ages?
Again, any and all feedback is greatly appreciated! Smile


Real teaching experience would be great, and to Elementary kids, you'll look 50! I don't think that you'll have problems getting a job, especially in Latin America, I'm just worried that you'll find a decent paying job. It's hard enough for college grads in Latin America, but you don't have a degree and taht's against you. Trust me, I've got six years experience, an MA awaiting thesis approval, 3 NJ certs of eligibility in teaching. I went to a couple of institutes to pick up extra hours and was offered 6 usd an hour.

An alternative would be trying to pick up privates, teaching kids or business people is where the money is.

As for as Costa Rica, I've heard that these places have good reps.

Intercultura
www.spanish-intercultura.com
[email protected]

English to Go Ltda
www.english2go.co.cr
[email protected]

Idioma Internacional
www.idiomacr.com
[email protected] or [email protected]

Ingles Empresarial
www.ingles-empresarial

Maximo Nivel
www.maximonivel.net
[email protected]

Why not do this, get hands on experience, do your own research and training, then head of to Costa Rica and try to get a job at the places above. If that doesn't work, ask them if you'll be able to work for them if you get a TEFL Dip or CELTA, and then if they say yes, enroll in a course.
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