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[bad cowboy]

I'd like to hear about your experiences purchasing gold (jewelry, coins, or bullion) in KSA. --Seeking advice, warnings, general observations, etc.
Also interested in tips for getting it out of the country (cheaply).
All comments are welcome. Thanks.

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[Neil McBeath]

The purchase of gold jewellery and, indeed, of bullion bars, is completely legal in Saudi Arabia. All you do is go along to the local gold suq, select what you want and pay for it.

I would suggest it is best to take it out of the country in your hand luggage, because you keep that with you all the time.

Problems are more likely to arise on arrival in your country of destination. There may be a limit on the amount of jewellery that you can take in duty-free, or the import of bullion bars could be prohibited entirely. Check up on that.

[brasscat]

12 Nov. 2008 8:31 AM +0300

Everyday in the Saudi Gazet the price of gold is posted. Very easy to purchase in any part of the Middle East.

Getting the goods back. Nothing like gold puzzle rings for souveirs. You can get creative and make a belt buckle. For gold bullion, take careful precautions. US Homeland Security is looking for money mules, especially gold and diamonds.

Ever thought about buying gold coins?
brasscat

[colt]

Over a 30 year period I brought back substantial quantities of18k and 22k gold jewelry and 24k bullion to the US. I always declared it, rarely paid anything near the 10% duty required, and usually was charged nothing.

[dime a dozen]

If you pass through Dubai airports (both T1 & T2) from the KSA, you can pick up all sorts of gold at dedicated stalls in duty free; machine made jewellry, coins and bullion. I beleive the prices are consistent with the souks (can anyone verify?).

I used to buy 24K bullion in small weights (5g, 10g, 20g, 50g, 10 tola) and never carried more than one piece at a time.

I strongly advise you to check customs requirements for your point(s) of disembarkation; you will probably have to declare. Beware that in many countries, false declarations can be punishable by confiscation, fines and-or jail.

[battleshipb_b]

Now is the time to buy. Gold prices are going down. Buy the bars.

[bad cowboy]

YEE-HAW!
Thank y'all for the advice and suggestions....mighty kind of you.

As for buying bullion in KSA (in small weights), is it better to buy directly from banks--or from souks? Thanks again.

[johnslat]

Dear bad cowboy,
I'd say it's better to buy from the souks than the banks - less mark-up, I believe.

Here's a recent article you might find interesting:

"Gold is gaining on T-bills as a safety play and the precious metal began its move as trillions of bailout commitments translate into major currency debasement. I asked a smart investor and he said "gold will break through US$1,200 an ounce in 2009".

Another new development is that articles about returning to a gold standard are popping up in credible periodicals, as compared to goldbug blogs like the "Daily Reckoning". What's interesting to note is that the gold standard would suit the Americans the most, given their Fort Knox treasure trove which has remained untouched for hundreds of years and is the largest cache of gold in history. Here are the largest gold reserves holdings in tonnes as reported by the World Gold Council.

The top 10 central bank reserves total 26,014.4 tonnes, or 836.3 million troy ounces, equivalent to US$670 billion. By contrast, the market capitalization of all stock markets is around US$20 trillion. Here are the gold reserves figures of the top ten:

United States has 8,965.6 tonnes
Germany, 3,767.1 tonnes
International Monetary Fund, 3,546.1 tonnes
France, 2,890.6 tonnes
Italy, 2,702.5 tonnes
Switzerland, 1,285.6 tonnes
Japan, 743.5 tonnes
Netherlands, 688.4 tonnes
European Central Bank, 666.5 tonnes
China, 661.4 tonnes
(Also of note is that if gold jewelry were counted, India would have the most gold reserves in the world with an estimated 13,000 tonnes.)

Best analysis of gold standard
On Nov. 23, Richard Duncan wrote the best piece in the Financial Times about returning to the gold standard, and why. "The events of September 2008 � the nationalisation of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and AIG; the disappearance of the investment banking industry in the US; and the Bush administration�s $700bn bailout to save what is left of Anglo-American capitalism � demonstrate that the 37-year experiment with fiat money and floating exchange rates has failed catastrophically.
"When Richard Nixon destroyed the Bretton Woods International Monetary System in 1971 by closing the �gold window� at the Treasury, he severed the last link between dollars and gold. What followed was a spiralling proliferation of increasingly spurious credit instruments denominated in a debased currency. The most glaring and lethal example of this madness has been the growth of the unregulated derivatives market, which has ballooned in size to $600,000bn, the equivalent of almost $100,000 per person on Earth.
"Under the post-Bretton Woods dollar standard, credit growth powered economic growth. In the US, the ratio of total credit to gross domestic product rose from 150 per cent in 1969 to 350 per cent in 2007. Credit financed consumption and sucked in imports with a devastating impact on America�s trade balance. By 2006, the US current account deficit had reached almost $800bn.
"As the dollar standard flooded the world with funny money, economic instability spread around the globe the U.S. dollar reinvestment of �petrodollars� created the Latin American economic boom in the 1970s and then the third world debt crisis of the 1980s. Japan�s trade surplus with the US drove up Japanese property prices in the late 1980s until the imperial gardens in Tokyo were worth more than California; and then produced the lost decade in Japan when that bubble popped in 1990. Next came the rise and fall of the Asian miracle bubble. Each economic convulsion resulted from the excessive influx of dollars into those economies. No regulatory regime could cope when confronted with such an extraordinary incursion of exogenous money.
"The Bretton Woods collapse severed the link between the world�s currencies and gold. Central banks were then free to create as much money as they wished. Between 2001 and today, central banks outside the US created the equivalent of about $6,000bn. This can be seen in the seven-fold increase in foreign exchange reserves in that period. The money created (which accounted for most, if not all, of Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke�s so-called global savings glut) was used to buy dollars and suppress the value of the currencies of US trading partners to perpetuate their trade advantage.
"When those dollars were reinvested in dollar-denominated assets, it was America�s turn to bubble. As central banks bought up US treasury bonds, they drove up their price and drove down their yields. However, there were not enough new Treasury bonds being issued to absorb the rest of the world�s trade surplus earnings, so central banks bought Fannie and Freddie debt as well. That allowed those government-sponsored enterprises to acquire or guarantee more than half of all the mortgages in the country before they failed. Between unnaturally depressed interest rates and the buying spree by Fannie and Freddie, US property prices surged. The US housing bubble followed the ill-fated Nasdaq bubble. However, the inflation of the US housing market was one bubble too far. When it imploded, the global financial system was hurled into crisis, leaving the 21st century version of Anglo-American financial capitalism discredited.
"The lesson that must be learnt from this disaster is that �free market� capitalism under a fiat money regime does not produce the same blessings (sustainable prosperity) that are produced by true free market capitalism within a monetary system anchored by gold. When President Nixon severed the link between the dollar and gold, he changed the nature of the Anglo-American economic model and ultimately destroyed it.
"The world cannot return to a gold standard overnight without provoking a brutal contraction of credit and a global depression. However, neither can we afford to pretend that nothing has changed and that the global economy can continue to function on the dollar standard. The time has come to convene a forum of the world�s leaders to hammer out and begin the transition to a new rule-based international monetary system predicated on sound money and balanced trade. Current Group of 20 efforts fall well short of what is required."

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2008/11/26/gold-will-hit-1-200-in-2009.aspx

Regards,
John