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njwebb
Joined: 23 Nov 2008 Posts: 13
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: Degree but no TEFL wanting to teach in China in January |
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Hello Everyone,
So for a brief introduction: I am a white British, female, recent graduate from Essex University. I am 21 and have no TEFL qualification. In my final year of university I taught at a primary school for one day a week and I've coached children of all age groups. My highest qualification in English is from school (GCSE) and so do not have as good a grasp on the English language as many applicants. I've only recently decided to teach English as a foreign language and do not see it as a long term thing, although never say never!
I would like to teach English in China in January 2009 (I know it's soon) for 6 months/one term and am looking at various contracts. I was very close to signing a contract with New Jordan Kindergarten School until I saw bad reviews on this website. So far I am not set on an area to go to nor am I set on an age group to teach, probably due to lack of experience. Could anyone please advise me as to what wage I would expect to receive with no TEFL qualification. I thought 6000RMB was good until I read that this wage is undercutting other TEFL teachers (again on this website).
It is my first trip to China and I'm travelling alone therefore signing a contract with a reputable firm is high up in my priorities. Any advice on companies to ask/ places to go would be extremely welcome!
Look forward to reading some suggestions! |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Actually 6000 RMB is the typical wage paid for university positions in Beijing. The key is how many hours will you be working?
The universities provide housing and generally it is not the rat-holes provided by other institutions.
If the wage is for 18-hours or less, it is very typical. If they expect +20-hours and don't offer any other benefits then I would look at another offer.
Don't expect too much because you are new to ESL and most Chinese institutions will remind you of these facts when offering a salary package.
The key is to find a good area and a good institution first, after a few years of experience you can move into the better markets.
NOTE: Those 5000-RMB salaries are offered to those of us with +5 years experience that have real Education degree's and TESOL teaching qualifications. This salary seems to be standard these days, of course you can find much higher and even much lower offers. The key is to first get your foot in the door- so to speak. |
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Eyrick3

Joined: 29 Mar 2008 Posts: 161 Location: Beijing, China
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Why not work AND earn your TESOL at the same time? That's what I did.
There's a group in Harbin, China called Will-Excel TESOL (www.willexceltesol.com). They offer probably the best package and benefits out there. The salary is a bit low, but seeing how you're paying for your TESOL monthly instead of all up front it's actually a really good deal. Harbin is also a very cheap city, so you can still save for traveling.
They also offer free accommodation, meals, Mandarin lessons and very cheap (if not free) health care (full coverage for $50 USD a year, I think).
This way, if after 6 months you really enjoy it and would like to stay, you'll have the qualifications necessary to do so.
Good luck. |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Eyrick3 wrote: |
Why not work AND earn your TESOL at the same time? That's what I did.
There's a group in Harbin, China called Will-Excel TESOL (www.willexceltesol.com). They offer probably the best package and benefits out there. The salary is a bit low, but seeing how you're paying for your TESOL monthly instead of all up front it's actually a really good deal. Harbin is also a very cheap city, so you can still save for traveling.
They also offer free accommodation, meals, Mandarin lessons and very cheap (if not free) health care (full coverage for $50 USD a year, I think).
This way, if after 6 months you really enjoy it and would like to stay, you'll have the qualifications necessary to do so.
Good luck. |
I wouldn't mind going to Harbin myself, I just can't get the Chinese wife to agree to this.
She gets cold when it's below 15C outside.
Those harsh Harbin winters wouldn't bother me much because I grew up with them. |
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Eyrick3

Joined: 29 Mar 2008 Posts: 161 Location: Beijing, China
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't mind going to Harbin myself, I just can't get the Chinese wife to agree to this.
She gets cold when it's below 15C outside.
Those harsh Harbin winters wouldn't bother me much because I grew up with them. |
I was up there not a few weeks ago. The "winter" is now becoming very mild. Also, from what I've heard, it'll snow and then melt within a few days. Sure, it still hovers around freezing, but doesn't seem to get much colder than that.
But, then again, it's only December. |
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North China Laowei
Joined: 08 Apr 2008 Posts: 419
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: What? |
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Eyrick3 wrote: |
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I wouldn't mind going to Harbin myself, I just can't get the Chinese wife to agree to this.
She gets cold when it's below 15C outside.
Those harsh Harbin winters wouldn't bother me much because I grew up with them. |
I was up there not a few weeks ago. The "winter" is now becoming very mild. Also, from what I've heard, it'll snow and then melt within a few days. Sure, it still hovers around freezing, but doesn't seem to get much colder than that.
But, then again, it's only December. |
"But doesn't seem to get much colder than that"...
Harbin in late December, January, February and early March can hit -30 C. with NO problems...sometimes it will stay like that for 7-10 days. Not so cold? Harbin is probably one of the coldest major cities on the face of the earth.
I love Harbin -- the architecture is great, the people are exceptionally, exceptionally direct, the beer is the best in China and the food is very palatable by Western standards. There are two problems however -- the extreme winter temperatures and the very noticeable street crime and break-ins.
And that's speaking from experience. |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: What? |
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North China Laowei wrote: |
Eyrick3 wrote: |
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I wouldn't mind going to Harbin myself, I just can't get the Chinese wife to agree to this.
She gets cold when it's below 15C outside.
Those harsh Harbin winters wouldn't bother me much because I grew up with them. |
I was up there not a few weeks ago. The "winter" is now becoming very mild. Also, from what I've heard, it'll snow and then melt within a few days. Sure, it still hovers around freezing, but doesn't seem to get much colder than that.
But, then again, it's only December. |
"But doesn't seem to get much colder than that"...
Harbin in late December, January, February and early March can hit -30 C. with NO problems...sometimes it will stay like that for 7-10 days. Not so cold? Harbin is probably one of the coldest major cities on the face of the earth.
I love Harbin -- the architecture is great, the people are exceptionally, exceptionally direct, the beer is the best in China and the food is very palatable by Western standards. There are two problems however -- the extreme winter temperatures and the very noticeable street crime and break-ins.
And that's speaking from experience. |
Has the street crime increased? I'm back in the USA and here we are reading numerous stories of economic problems and rising protest to increased crime.
Any big changes due to the economic downturns and inflation problems? |
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Eyrick3

Joined: 29 Mar 2008 Posts: 161 Location: Beijing, China
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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There are two problems however -- the extreme winter temperatures and the very noticeable street crime and break-ins. |
I was unclear with my previous post. I meant to say that the winters are getting much warmer. Up until now the "winter" has been very mild. Now that it's December, however, this will probably change (as you mentioned).
Also, about the crime: I was in Harbin for 2 years and never noticed any "noticeable street crime" or "break-ins". Violent crime in that city is fairly low, especially when you compare it to western countries like the US.
Sure, westerners are going to be a target for pick-pocketing, just as we are anywhere outside of our own countries, but the chances of getting mugged or stuck-up are very, very low.
Lastly, as long as you're not out drinking and causing problems every night, the chances that you'll be in the bunt of violence of also very, very low. |
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