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Shadow2009



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject: Flooding Reply with quote

How bad is the flooding this year ?

Anyone grown fins or gills yet ?

I have been reading the Jakarta Post online but it never says a great deal

We flooded 3 times last year in Petukangan Selatan which is close to Ciledug and Bintaro for those who don't know. We had fish swimming through the house and the water was about 20cm deep.

I don't miss that at all !
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laughing_magpie06



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last year I walked up Jalan Sudirman through flooded waters over my knees. Never saw any fish but boats were the main mode of transport past Bunderan HI. Sarinah car park was a lake. Needless to say I made it to Jaksa and had a few beers after. Much deserved!!
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malu



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There just isn't much information given out when floods are imminent. Early last week there was an insane amount of rainfall over high ground around Bogor. I called a couple of friends in Jakarta and suggested the water would be heading their way before long. It was the first they'd heard of it. Sure enough, the following morning (Tuesday, I think) all the usual spots were knee deep in sh1t.

The wet season is a fairly predictable event each year, and it is a no-brainer that heavy rain upstream=flooding downstream but the Jakarta administration without fail are caught on the back foot every time. They generally only start clearing drains after the flooding has begun.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:46 am    Post subject: Flooding Reply with quote

Flooding is getting worse in many areas. If you've been here for a while, you'll notice that flooding starts earlier, ends later, and is even happening during the dry season in some places. Some islands are having serious problems with what used to be a normal, limited flood, especially small islands.

Lower Semarang, where the government is seated, floods daily due to both the tide and the rain, and the government is working on moving to higher ground.

Jakarta is experiencing worse flooding than when I moved here in 2001. The flooding is due to the tides, rainfall and the fact that the ground is sinking x centimeters per year. Jakarta was originally a SWAMP. Government predictions vary, but a good portion of northern Jakarta, at least, is expected to be permanently lost over the next 41 years. A sizable amount of the coastline has already disappeared, and the government there is also planning to move to higher grounds. (I don't care if Jakarta disappears - it's a poophole anyways.)

Get out your waders and move to higher ground. 100m above sea level will keep you safe.

Glenn McGrew
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Reefs



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: Living Reply with quote

Just wondering, since they cannot sort out the flooding,
Where is the best area to live in jakarta, or outside maybe?

Oh also what about solo is that also as bad or they dont get it there?


Thanks Reefs
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laughing_magpie06



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would probably take Jakarta's floods right at this moment. I'm currently in Melbourne where the temperature yesterday was 45 degrees and has been close to that the last few days. Forecast today is cooler and 37. I told my friends here Jakarta never got above 35.
Anyway one of my 'fondest' memories of Jakarta was wading through floodwaters from Plaza Indonesia to Jalan Jaksa for a Bintang last February. I look back and laugh now as one of those things you gotta do when living there.
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malu



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:57 am    Post subject: Re: Living Reply with quote

Reefs wrote:
Just wondering, since they cannot sort out the flooding,
Where is the best area to live in jakarta, or outside maybe?

Oh also what about solo is that also as bad or they dont get it there?



There really isn't any high ground in Jakarta except for high-rise apartments and even some of these were without power or isolated by water during the really bad floods a couple of years ago. The poor areas most prone to flooding are, thankfully, not places you are likely to live or work. Fairly flood-prone are Kelapa Gading, Pluit and parts of Sunter in N Jak and Meruya/Kedoya in W Jak, Grogol and also the central business district including Jl Sudirman which is frequently under water.

Solo is on higher ground and away from the riverbanks I can't remember there ever being serious flooding.
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Vertumnus



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:34 am    Post subject: Flooding, OR When Shall I Buy a Barge? Reply with quote

Reefs wrote:
Just wondering, since they cannot sort out the flooding,
Where is the best area to live in jakarta, or outside maybe?

Oh also what about solo is that also as bad or they dont get it there?


Thanks Reefs


Bogor/Puncak is high and dry. Solo (Surakarta on the map below) is in the middle (unlike Jakarta, Cilacap, Tegal, Pemalang, Pekalongan, Banyuwangi, Kuta, Semarang and many more), but I've got a bloody slow connection right now, so I can't see its elevation. Some of the spellings are very wrong, like Chilachap.

If you want, take a look at http://www.globalwarmingart.com/sealevel
There you can see the risk to any area in the world. It works like other interactive maps and sports different views. Note that it only displays for islands and coastal/floodplain areas, as the author said it was difficult to make predictions for inland areas, since not all water tables, the geological characteristics and many other factors are still unknown.

There are also individual slides for areas that are at high risk for flooding, such as the Bangladesh area, Florida, and the East Coast of the US. You can safely say that anything within 10 meters of sea level is not somewhere you want to live more than a short time, and is a bad investment for the future. Anything under about 5 meters is not even a good idea for a short time.

If you want to be super safe, most predictions indicate that (within the next 6-91 years) 60 meters above sea level is a very safe bet. Personally, I live 150m above sea level. Razz

-D
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laughing_magpie06



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

North Queensland right now is far worse than anything I saw in Indonesia.
For some reason Indonesia doesn't seem to rain days on end but you only need 2 hours to do the damage. Parts of Queensland had more than half of Jakarta's annual rainfall dumped on them in one day. All this while down south in 'sunny' Melbourne we are frying in mid 40s temps and bracing for further bushfires.
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Reefs



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Just want to say thanks, to everyone, ill remember to stay on higher ground.


Thanks Reefs
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malu



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laughing_magpie06 wrote:
All this while down south in 'sunny' Melbourne we are frying in mid 40s temps and bracing for further bushfires.


Apparently Melbourne was hotter than Riyadh or Mekkah the other day. Crazy.

Here in Bogor we are a couple of weeks in to the most miserable damp weather anyone can remember. This is a place that gets a lot of rainfall but usually it comes in torrential downpours interspersed with sunshine. Instead we have had constant drizzly murk punctuated by heavier spells of rain and no sunshine at all. Kids in my school haven't been able to play outside much and are all becoming a bit hyper.
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