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[ayahyaha]

With only a temporary zameldowanie (no KP or long-term zam) can an American exit and re-enter the Schengen Zone without staying out for 90 days?

If the answer is no, what must an American have to be able to leave the Schengen and re-enter with no waiting period?

I've been reading these forums, but when this question came up today I didn't have the answer.

Any ideas?

[dynow]

as far as i know, to answer your question, no.

if you want to enter/reenter whenever you want, you need a Karta Pubytu.

[the new guy]

or you need to have a multi entry work visa.

as far as I know.... you are allowed in 90 days and must be out for 90 days.

why don't you poke around Poland Gov'ts website for that info??

luckily for you i took 45 seconds and found this on Wikipedia. u can find it for yourself

Entry conditions for third-country nationals
The Schengen rules include uniform rules as to the type of visas which may be issued for a short-term stay, not exceeding 90 days, on the territory of one, several or all of those States. The rules also include common requirements for entry into the Schengen area, and common procedures for refusal of entry.

According to the Schengen Borders Code, the conditions applying to third-country nationals for entry are as follows:[29]

The third-country national is in possession of a valid travel document or documents authorising them to cross the border; the acceptance of travel documents for this purpose remains within the domain of the member states;[30]
He or she either possesses a valid visa (if required) or a valid residence permit;
He or she can justify the purpose and conditions of the intended stay, and they have sufficient means of subsistence, both for the duration of the intended stay and for the return to their country of origin or transit to a third country into which they are certain to be admitted, or are in a position to acquire such means lawfully;
There has not been issued an alert in the Schengen Information System for refusal of entry, and
he or she is not considered to be a threat to public policy, internal security, public health or the international relations of any of the Schengen states.
In other words, mere possession of a Schengen visa does not confer automatic right of entry. It will only be granted if the other transit or entry conditions laid down by EU legislation have been met, notably the means of subsistence that aliens must have at their disposal, as well as the purpose and the conditions of the stay.

Right of stay
A third-country national who has been granted entry may stay in the Schengen area and travel between Schengen states as long as the conditions for entry are still fulfilled.[31] For stays which exceed three months, so-called national visa (category D) are issued by the relevant Schengen state where the third-country national intends to reside. Any third-country national who is a holder of a residence permit of a Schengen state, which is granted for a stay which exceeds three months, is allowed to travel to any other member state for a period of up to three months.[32]

[ayahyaha]

I had already read Wikipedia and heaps of other stuff about this. I was wondering if anyone knew, off the top of their head, specifically.

In general I would assume that one would have to have a KP or something more solid than just a temporary residence permit. But here it says:

[Jack Walker]

In typical Polish bureaucratic fashion,it's the old left hand right hand thing.

Go to ten offices and get ten different stories about what you need and don't need.

Listen,I would play it safe and make sure you get your KP and then travel and move around as freely as you want.

You meet the wrong border guy at the wrong time and you could have trouble.

[dynow]

yeah, that's the best bet. regardless, if you apply for the KP, you can simply carry around the paperwork showing you have applied, and within Poland, you will be fine. it seems that all that matters is that you are making the effort.

just make sure you have all your ducks in a row when you apply, because they ask you for a million and 1 things. i had to go as far as to have my offshore bank account statement translated by a licensed translator, even though I had a job and several months pay in poland already.

with that said, i routinely had Poznan offices telling me different requirements vs. the Wroclaw office. it's a nightmare. sometimes when you change cities, you would think you were dealing with another country with a different set of rules and regulations.

just carry your passport when you leave Poland. I have a KP, and got into some trouble when traveling into Germany because i didn't have my passport on me. they told me the KP doesn't matter when traveling into other countries outside of Poland, and the next time I was caught, it was going to be a 25 Euro fine.

[ayahyaha]

Thanks for the advice. Of course, I wouldn't be asking this question at all if I could actually *get* a KP. My employer hemmed and hawed and finally refused to give me the sort of documentation I need from them.

(Clearly I ought to get another job--I did ask them about this when they hired me and they said it would be no problem. When it came down to it, they refused.)

So here I am with a temporary registration. Period.

[Harry from NWE]

[Harry from NWE]

[ayahyaha]

I seriously doubt they're actually paying the taxes on my wages. If they aren't willing to help someone work legitimately, I doubt they're behaving legitimately themselves.

Doesn't matter, it's a lame job and I don't particularly want to keep it--but that's the least of my concerns. If I thought I had any leverage to give 'em hell I would.

[lundjstuart]

You should ask your school for a Polish translation of your work contract. After they give it to you, tell them that you are going to file this in the Immigration office. I did this and they gave me the documents about 10 minutes later to file everything! You just have to show that you're going to do something that can possibly hurt the company/school and when you make the first move, they will get off their a$$e$ to get everything done! It just takes time that we don't have!
Good Luck!!

[ayahyaha]

I really appreciate all the advice -- and I'll remember it when I get a different job (:knock on wood:).

As for the one I'm talking about, there's no work contract either!