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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 199 Location: NYC/Warszawa
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: Pretty unoriginal... |
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Hi!
I've been reading this board for many months now hoping for someone with a similar story to appear... I guess I'll have to be that special someone.
Here it is...
My wife and I are both CELTA certified and are moving to Warsaw at the beginning of next year.
We are both native speakers and we also have two kids.
I hold a Polish passport, my wife and kids however are US citizens.
I'm looking for an honest opinion.
With me being bilingual (native level in both cases) and my wife being a native speaker of English what are our options? Can I assume that we can make a decent living?
The decision has been made, we have some prospects of steady gigs... I am simply looking for an opinion... I'm sure you understand the anxiety that we are now experiencing.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. |
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Richfilth
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 225 Location: Warszawa
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: |
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The question was asked recently about how much would be needed to maintain a family of four comfortably in Poland. Admittedly, it factored in a house with a mortgage of 4500PLN monthly and two cars, which meant an income of 10,000PLN monthly, after tax, was needed.
In Warsaw, you might need one car, but certainly not two, and you can rent a sizeable apartment for less than 4500PLN, so I'm going to suggest 8000PLN would pay for all your bills, food, clothes, daycare and schooling.
If both you and your wife are working in EFL, there is absolutely no justification to be taking home less than 4000PLN a month each; if you do, you're underselling yourself and undercutting the rest of us. 8000PLN a month is easy enough teaching business classes, and a certain someone on here has set himself a target of 12,000PLN a month. There money is definitely out there if you're prepared to work for it.
Having said this, like any family relocation, you may need a sizeable chunk of your own cash first to get you started, but your bigger headache in the long run will be the bureaucracy, not the cash. |
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Harry from NWE
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 283
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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If you are actually native level in both English and Polish, you should investigate post-grad qualifications in translation and interpreting. A good translator can easily take home 15,000zl a month. A good interpreter will make more. |
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dynow
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1080
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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i second the translator/interpreter direction. you'll earn way more.
again, this is assuming you are perfectly fluent in both languages. do you remember to use all your owi's and ego's?
i think the first question I would ask you, blasphemer, is what you would like regarding quality of life.
how big of an apt. do you want?
also, if you have 2 children, this question goes out to our Warsaw people......how much does it cost to rent say a 100 sq. meter apt. in Warsaw???
i honestly have no idea, but a friend of mine is living about a 5 minute walk from the Rynek here in Wroclaw, and he pays 1700zl. per month for a 37 sq. ft. apartment. if you and your wife are going to rely on public transportation, you will have to be in the city center.
for a nice apt. to comfortably accomodate 4 people in Warsaw, in the city center, would it be wrong to guess it will cost 3,000zl. or more? |
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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 199 Location: NYC/Warszawa
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Richfilth wrote: |
The question was asked recently about how much would be needed to maintain a family of four comfortably in Poland. Admittedly, it factored in a house with a mortgage of 4500PLN monthly and two cars, which meant an income of 10,000PLN monthly, after tax, was needed. |
Yes, I�ve gone over that thread, the only difference was � Warsaw vs. city limits and living outside of Manhattan I realize how very different the price range is.
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In Warsaw, you might need one car, but certainly not two, and you can rent a sizeable apartment for less than 4500PLN, so I'm going to suggest 8000PLN would pay for all your bills, food, clothes, daycare and schooling. |
I�ve had a car most of my adult life, we�ve just gotten rid of ours and it�s been a good change; I think I�ll put that on hold for a while. Last year I was visiting my family in Warsaw (first time in 17 years what a f*%&$& shock!) and it takes about 30 � 40 min to get around the city� where in NYC I�m used to hours and hours of either endless traffic or long train rides. (By the way, I absolutely have to contribute to the complaint thread haha� )
8000zl sounds pretty reasonable, that�s pretty much what I was thinking...
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If both you and your wife are working in EFL, there is absolutely no justification to be taking home less than 4000PLN a month each; if you do, you're underselling yourself and undercutting the rest of us. 8000PLN a month is easy enough teaching business classes, and a certain someone on here has set himself a target of 12,000PLN a month. There money is definitely out there if you're prepared to work for it. |
I understand the �backpacker� syndrome and would never charge less than the obviously stated amounts (1zl/min). We are trying to make a living and not just scrape by
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Having said this, like any family relocation, you may need a sizeable chunk of your own cash first to get you started, but your bigger headache in the long run will be the bureaucracy, not the cash. |
I am not rich by any means, but I do have some money invested in my current company which I will be bringing along as a �jump start� |
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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 199 Location: NYC/Warszawa
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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dynow wrote: |
i second the translator/interpreter direction. you'll earn way more.
again, this is assuming you are perfectly fluent in both languages. do you remember to use all your owi's and ego's? |
Yes, I do haha... Although my grammar did suffer (spelling especially) I am still fluent.
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i think the first question I would ask you, blasphemer, is what you would like regarding quality of life. |
Haha� I am by no means expecting anything extraordinary� to me quality of life equals good family life, everything else is really not that important.
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how big of an apt. do you want? |
At first I�d like something small and cozy, just to get me through the initial year� a single bedroom apt would suffice. I am thinking about buying a place, but I�d rather take my time with that (you know, do the reasonable thing haha). From what I understand, something like that would run me about 1500zl/month. |
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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 199 Location: NYC/Warszawa
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Harry from NWE wrote: |
If you are actually native level in both English and Polish, you should investigate post-grad qualifications in translation and interpreting. A good translator can easily take home 15,000zl a month. A good interpreter will make more. |
I�d love to do that, I�ve been translating things just for the hell of it for years now. I�ve thought about it on numerous occasions, but I�d have to look around once I�m �on location�. |
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citizen X
Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Posts: 22
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Harry from NWE wrote: |
If you are actually native level in both English and Polish, you should investigate post-grad qualifications in translation and interpreting. A good translator can easily take home 15,000zl a month. A good interpreter will make more. |
I doubt it, Harry. I would say there are very, very few translators/interpreters out there who make such money. |
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Richfilth
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 225 Location: Warszawa
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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dynow wrote: |
also, if you have 2 children, this question goes out to our Warsaw people......how much does it cost to rent say a 100 sq. meter apt. in Warsaw??? |
Warsaw's public transport network is one of the cheapest and most prolific in Europe, despite the locals grumbling about the trams, and therefore you don't have to live right in The City - Mokotow, Wola, Zoliborz, even Ursynow and Bielany are easily commutable. Hell, I used to cycle from the centre to a client right on the southern edge (by Kabaty forest) and it only took 45mins in rush hour. Warsaw isn't THAT big.
With that in mind, 4000PLN a month will get you this:
http://www.oferty.net/oferta/?typ=m&idn=11291148&agencja=atlantis&offset=0
which is RIGHT in the centre (between the two main streets of Marszalkowska and Jerozolimski.) If thats what 4000 gets you, you can get by for much less. |
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Harry from NWE
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 283
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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citizen X wrote: |
Harry from NWE wrote: |
If you are actually native level in both English and Polish, you should investigate post-grad qualifications in translation and interpreting. A good translator can easily take home 15,000zl a month. A good interpreter will make more. |
I doubt it, Harry. I would say there are very, very few translators/interpreters out there who make such money. |
All three of the translators in the same company as me are making at least that much for full-time and not much overtime. I know of other translators in the same sector who work a reasonable amount of overtime (average 10 to 15 hours a month) and make more than 20,000.
But, as I said, to get this kind of work you have to be good. And to get the 20k a month you have to be very good. |
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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 199 Location: NYC/Warszawa
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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This is our destination point (various reasons)
I am definitely not ready to spend that much right off the bat... wouldn't it be cheaper to buy? |
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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 199 Location: NYC/Warszawa
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Harry from NWE wrote: |
citizen X wrote: |
Harry from NWE wrote: |
If you are actually native level in both English and Polish, you should investigate post-grad qualifications in translation and interpreting. A good translator can easily take home 15,000zl a month. A good interpreter will make more. |
I doubt it, Harry. I would say there are very, very few translators/interpreters out there who make such money. |
All three of the translators in the same company as me are making at least that much for full-time and not much overtime. I know of other translators in the same sector who work a reasonable amount of overtime (average 10 to 15 hours a month) and make more than 20,000.
But, as I said, to get this kind of work you have to be good. And to get the 20k a month you have to be very good. |
Now we are talking "Tlumacz przysiegly" here right? |
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