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Vega62a



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Best company for my goals? Reply with quote

Hi all, I'll be graduating in a year or two, and am fairly well flexible on my schedule. I'd like to teach in Japan for a year after graduating but before starting work. (which basically tells me that I've got one shot at getting a job, because if I delay work another year it's going to start to strain my finances.) My primary goal is to meet and connect with people in Japan, both students and colleagues--it seems, perhaps, a little silly, but I'm not really concerned with living there so much as living there and not making friends--and to that end after doing the research as to an ALT's day over there, I think the best choice for me would be to teach at ONE high school (or middle school; I don't think I'd be talented with elementary school students) for the entire year.

Now, if I can get into the JET program, there's no worries, because that's exactly what I'd be doing. (As an aside, that's more or less my ideal experience.) But there's a 66% chance that I won't, at last count, (discounting qualifications, anyway) and so my question is this: Since I don't really want to teach at an eikaiwa (I don't really like the idea of a juku to begin with, and though I certainly won't fault them for anything, I don't think it's really for me.) what's the likelihood that another company would actually just dispatch me to ONE school and not shuffle me around? (I'm not really sure how the dispatch companies work, to be honest, shady or no.) ARE there other companies that do that? Should I just swallow my misgivings and apply to some Eikaiwa anyway as an alternative to JET? I would certainly rather go than not go, if that makes sense.

Thanks for your help, all!
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markle



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think at the moment, with the market as saturated as it is and an influx of won refugees on it's way, it is unwise to discount any option. If one of your goals is to cultivate some contacts in Japan, then eikaiwa (juku is something different) tend to attract a broad cross section of people, which might be more useful than a bunch of high school students.
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Vega62a



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not really about contacts so much as friends, though. My major is in Engineering, so I'm not worried about cultivating my career teaching in Japan, that's just something I've always wanted to do. The students bit is more just being able to participate in someone's schooling in a normal school environment (rather than at a juku where the focus is on STFU AND CRAM.)
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By sheer virtue of its name, a dispatch company sends its contracted teachers to whomever it has as clients. As far as I know, most if not all ALTs have multiple schools to take care of.

JET, too. (Oh, and JET is not a company.) By the way, you wrote:
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I'll be graduating in a year or two, and am fairly well flexible on my schedule. I'd like to teach in Japan for a year after graduating but before starting wor
Do you know the timelines for JET ALT hiring? Application deadlines are usually December, interviews in February, acceptances in April/May, and people start their jobs in August. If you graduate like most, you will be unemployed from spring to August.

You are asking for too much, IMO. You will not have any experience here, and you will have bare bones requirements for a work visa. Look at whatever you can. The market is tight enough as it is over here.

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I'm not really sure how the dispatch companies work, to be honest, shady or no.
Learn. There are plenty of posts around. Most operate illegally, but the government turns a blind eye to that, while the union continues to fight. Speaking of unions, here's a link that may serve as a primer on dispatch agencies.
http://interac.generalunion.org/stop-illegal-dispatching-to-boards-of-education/
See the chart linked within.
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Vega62a



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I'm graduating in december, so the timing works out.

So you're saying that JETs also frequently deal with multiple schools?
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Khyron



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vega62a wrote:
The students bit is more just being able to participate in someone's schooling in a normal school environment (rather than at a juku where the focus is on STFU AND CRAM.)
Eikaiwas are not the same as juku.

Don't worry about Jukus anyway, because the chances of you getting a job at one, as someone who's never been here before, are extremely low. Most don't hire foreigners. For the ones that do, they generally want you to be already set up in Japan with visa, living arrangements, some Japanese ability (usually lot of Japanese ability), and on and on. Of four people I know at jukus, two have spouse visas and two have PR. It's generally a big step up from eikaiwa in regards to hours, work conditions and even pay.

To be honest, if you don't get into the JET programme, eikaiwas might be your best bet. They pay every month of the year! Do most dispatch companies do that?


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Khyron



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vega62a wrote:
Actually, I'm graduating in december, so the timing works out.

So you're saying that JETs also frequently deal with multiple schools?
I'll say it: JETs also frequently deal with multiple schools.

If you graduate in December and actually get on with JET, then you'd have to wait until August to ship out with the JET programme.
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parrothead



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Re: Best company for my goals? Reply with quote

Vega62a wrote:
Hi all, I'll be graduating in a year or two, and am fairly well flexible on my schedule. I'd like to teach in Japan for a year after graduating but before starting work. (which basically tells me that I've got one shot at getting a job, because if I delay work another year it's going to start to strain my finances.)

Now, if I can get into the JET program, there's no worries, because that's exactly what I'd be doing. (As an aside, that's more or less my ideal experience.) But there's a 66% chance that I won't, at last count, (discounting qualifications, anyway) and so my question is this:

Since I don't really want to teach at an eikaiwa (I don't really like the idea of a juku to begin with, and though I certainly won't fault them for anything, I don't think it's really for me.)

Should I just swallow my misgivings and apply to some Eikaiwa anyway as an alternative to JET? I would certainly rather go than not go, if that makes sense.


You might not want to hear it, but I think eikaiwa is your best bet. The experience is what you make of it, so don't put too much stock into horror stories. (Juku and eikaiwa are different things, and besides you wouldn't be able to get a job teaching at a juku anyway). If you only intend to stay a year, I think it behooves you to find employment where your start-up costs (like key money, furniture, etc) are low. Otherwise you'll likely finish your year with very little funds to show for it. With an eikaiwa you probably have a better chance getting hired from abroad, you'll probably teach in one location, and you'll hopefully make friends with other teachers and staff members. Visit www.gaijinpot.com for a variety of jobs to sift through.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. Eikaiwa are obviously better for making or rather maintaining contact with fellow foreigners, but you aren't assured of having friendly students (or if you do, that can actually be or become a problem sometimes e.g. some employers don't want you to socialize with students outside of class); as for public schools, I'd've thought that having a few more schools rather than fewer or just one would, providing the schools were somewhat regular ones, actually increase your chances of making some interesting contacts (that is, you may find that a single or main/base school may in fact turn out to be a pretty boring/unfriendly place to be - much depends on the personalities of the JTE(s), vice-principal, principal etc).
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citylightsruralcalm



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Best company for my goals? Reply with quote

Vega62a wrote:
I'd like to teach in Japan for a year after graduating but before starting work.


Why don't you take a vacation instead?
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Vega62a



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluffyhamster wrote:
Hmm. Eikaiwa are obviously better for making or rather maintaining contact with fellow foreigners, but you aren't assured of having friendly students (or if you do, that can actually be or become a problem sometimes e.g. some employers don't want you to socialize with students outside of class); as for public schools, I'd've thought that having a few more schools rather than fewer or just one would, providing the schools were somewhat regular ones, actually increase your chances of making some interesting contacts (that is, you may find that a single or main/base school may in fact turn out to be a pretty boring/unfriendly place to be - much depends on the personalities of the JTE(s), vice-principal, principal etc).


As I mentioned before, I'm not so concerned with making contacts (ESL teaching is not my field) as I am with building interpersonal relationships. That is a good point though; not every public school is guaranteed to have lively staff, though I've never been to one that didn't.

citylightsruralcalm wrote:
Why don't you take a vacation instead?


Um. Because I...uh...want to actively participate in a culture rather than never even having a chance of being noticed and viewed as anything but a complete outsider who's basically a walking wallet by those around me, and I'd like to have a chance to make friends from said different culture and do things I've never done before, instead of just looking at a daibutsu, eating some unagi, and calling myself adventurous? In addition, I'll have a secondary (that is, I'm graduating from the college of Engineering, and Japanese is in the college of L&S) BA in Japanese by the time I'm out, and I would be incredibly disappointed if I didn't get a chance to make SOME use of it. (Don't say it, I'm aware that they discourage using Japanese on the job, even amongst your coworkers. But if you live somewhere, you have a chance to interact with people in their native language, and yes, I'm also aware that some people will view you as a walking English conversation practice machine.)

Oh, and I'm poor. There's that too. Does that answer your question?

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You might not want to hear it, but I think eikaiwa is your best bet. The experience is what you make of it, so don't put too much stock into horror stories. (Juku and eikaiwa are different things, and besides you wouldn't be able to get a job teaching at a juku anyway). If you only intend to stay a year, I think it behooves you to find employment where your start-up costs (like key money, furniture, etc) are low. Otherwise you'll likely finish your year with very little funds to show for it. With an eikaiwa you probably have a better chance getting hired from abroad, you'll probably teach in one location, and you'll hopefully make friends with other teachers and staff members. Visit www.gaijinpot.com for a variety of jobs to sift through.


That's a fair opinion, and a very practical one. Also, I was not aware that an eikaiwa was not a juku, (I honestly am not fully clear on what function they serve aside from teaching students English, so I kind of assumed they were just cram schools for students looking to pass tests) so I've learned something. I guess I can definitely apply to Eikaiwas as well, although my first choice is still teaching at a public school. Although, and I am aware that I mentioned poverty as a barrier to travel just a few lines up, I am not so concerned with having cash to show for my work at the end of the session, so long as I don't end up in the red.

So what I'm hearing about dispatches (and what I read on the site provided) is that they function truly like a temp agency by dispatching members for an indeterminate amount of time. Is that correct?
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Khyron



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eikaiwa:

-used by parents to send their kids to in order to 1. have a babysitter while they go grocery shopping; 2. help their kids improve their future chances in life by learning English; 3. help their kids get involved in something else.

-used by housewives to 1. socialise with their other housewife friends; 2. learn English for fun, especially if they enjoy travelling abroad; 3. meet a nice young foreign gentleman like yourself.

-used by working adults to 1. improve their English for their job; 2. improve their TOEIC score in case they want to look for a new job; 3. satisfy their interest in foreign languages.

-used by young adults to 1. compliment their studies; 2. learn English for fun/travelling; 3. meet a foreign boy/girl.

Eikaiwa teaches English to students, and occasionally offer other language classes as well.


Juku:

-parents send their kids here for 1. improving their chances of passing entrance exams and getting into a good middle school/high school/university; 2. babysitting.

Juku offers extra work in various school subjects and usually do not employ foreigners.
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Vega62a



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khyron wrote:
Eikaiwa:

-used by parents to send their kids to in order to 1. have a babysitter while they go grocery shopping; 2. help their kids improve their future chances in life by learning English; 3. help their kids get involved in something else.

-used by housewives to 1. socialise with their other housewife friends; 2. learn English for fun, especially if they enjoy travelling abroad; 3. meet a nice young foreign gentleman like yourself.

-used by working adults to 1. improve their English for their job; 2. improve their TOEIC score in case they want to look for a new job; 3. satisfy their interest in foreign languages.

-used by young adults to 1. compliment their studies; 2. learn English for fun/travelling; 3. meet a foreign boy/girl.

Eikaiwa teaches English to students, and occasionally offer other language classes as well.


Juku:

-parents send their kids here for 1. improving their chances of passing entrance exams and getting into a good middle school/high school/university; 2. babysitting.

Juku offers extra work in various school subjects and usually do not employ foreigners.


Very concise, good info. Thankya.
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vega62a wrote:
As I mentioned before, I'm not so concerned with making contacts (ESL teaching is not my field) as I am with building interpersonal relationships.


Actually, I was talking about friendships, interpersonal relationships - I had read your earlier posts! (I mean, I'm not all grammar and dictionaries!). Wink Cool Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khyron wrote:
Vega62a wrote:


So you're saying that JETs also frequently deal with multiple schools?
I'll say it: JETs also frequently deal with multiple schools.

If you graduate in December and actually get on with JET, then you'd have to wait until August to ship out with the JET programme.


Not quite right. Smile

JET ALTs working for local municipal BOEs usually deal with multiple schools and work at the primary & JHS level, but ALTs employed by/at the prefectural BOE usually teach at SHS level and only at one school.

Lots of variation on that, but if you want a generalisation, that's the one you want.
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