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Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 30
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: Tha Value of the RMB |
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Since I was last in China the value of the British pound has plummeted, making coming back to China more attractrive to me (as I have small UK bills to pay each month). Althought the wages in China are not great if they and the value of the Yen stay as they are then coming back is fine with me as I am sure I can find extra work too (I always have done in the past).
I am not an economist by any stretch of the imagination so I am wondering if anyone has any ideas as to if the value of the RMB is likely to remain the same for the forseeable future, or crash as the Won has done in Korea? |
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wulfrun
Joined: 12 May 2008 Posts: 167
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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i'd be interested in answers to this too - the 10RMB/�1 exchange rate is attractive. apparently the chinese economy is going to take a significant knock in 2009; don't know how exactly this bodes for the CNY/GBP exchange rate (as i'm not an economist either...). |
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william wallace
Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 2869 Location: in between
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Interesting, and the RMB is quite high against the US and Canadian dollar as well. |
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Ms Bean

Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 110 Location: Wilmington
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:02 am Post subject: |
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How about this link?
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
Presently:
1.00 GBP= 10.4857 CNY
1.00 USD = 6.84800 CNY |
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Mister Al

Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 840 Location: In there
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: |
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I'm no economist either but as I understand it the RMB is does not float in the money markets in the same way the USD/GBP/Euro/JY etc does, so it's more to do with the strength/weakness of the GPB rather than the value of the RMB. The Chinese government will decide whether to devalue the RMB or not. I'm open to corrections on all this though. |
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wulfrun
Joined: 12 May 2008 Posts: 167
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Ms Bean wrote: |
How about this link?
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
Presently:
1.00 GBP= 10.4857 CNY
1.00 USD = 6.84800 CNY |
and how about the next two years, beany? |
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randyj
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 460 Location: Nanjing, Jiangsu, China
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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As far as the RMB is concerned, I think the Chinese government decides in what narrow range their currency is allowed to float. I mean narrow. In the current economic environment, I do not believe they are interested in allowing the RMB to become more dear. Henry Paulson did convince them to allow a gradual depreciation against the US dollar during the last two years, but that trend is not going to continue. |
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Ms Bean

Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 110 Location: Wilmington
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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wulfrun wrote: |
Ms Bean wrote: |
How about this link?
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
Presently:
1.00 GBP= 10.4857 CNY
1.00 USD = 6.84800 CNY |
and how about the next two years, beany? |
Thank you for asking.
Take a look at market trends, eighty years of world economic history, and the fact that China wants to divest itself of the falling dollar. China is doing its best to spend its USD by buying American products and real estate, much like Japan and the OPEC did back in the 1970's.
Also take into account that America has been haranguing the PRC to stop tying the RMB to the value of the USD for many years. Until recently, the PRC had no real incentive to raise its value on the money market. It wanted for its currency (and its products) to be competitive. With the USD in a dismal decline, the PRC has turned to investing in the Euro which has remained much more stable than the USD in recent years. Most international Chinese companies trade in USD, but that will change if America continues its nosedive.
The GBP? I am unsure how vested the Chinese are in that currency, how much Great Britain will allow, or how long their long-term interest in that currency will last. For sure, the GBP is a strong currency, and the British economy is presently very robust (and has been for several years) compared to the American economy. Unfortunately, the British economy is nowhere near the size of America's. (Its interests are broad, but not massive in all interests). In addition, the British have a good grip on their own economic machine, I think. I can't really say with much certainty what Great Britain will do to keep the tide flowing in its favor. Anyone familiar with Webster Tarpley's take on America's stock market crash of 1929 will know how adept the British have been in keeping its own head above water.
Caveat: I am not an economist. I merely read widely, and watch the world around me. What I have expressed is an informed opinion. Results may vary. Don't try this at home. Results may vary, etc., etc., etc.. |
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wulfrun
Joined: 12 May 2008 Posts: 167
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Ms Bean wrote: |
For sure, the GBP is a strong currency, and the British economy is presently very robust (and has been for several years) compared to the American economy. |
thanks for reply. not sure about the british economy being called 'presently very robust', compared to anybody.  |
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lpm782
Joined: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 30
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: Currency |
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Just a few corrections:
1. The Chinese currency was pegged to the US dollar until some time in about 2005. From there, they started doing gradual revaluations;
2. The currency moves *approximately* with the US dollar. (This is as opposed to the Hong Kong dollar, which has been anchored by the US dollar at the same rate for the past 26 years.)
3. Many thousands of factories have been closing in these areas around Guangdong. A big revaluation is not likely.
4. Salaries for EFL teachers are something like 6,000RMB per month. If the RMB is 6.85, that works out to about US$875 per month. If it is 6, then that works out to $1,000. So, that is $125 more. Not that much to write home about-- especially since you can't save too much more than 50% of your salary after visa expenses/ etc. |
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Ms Bean

Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 110 Location: Wilmington
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Check the exchange rate for both the GBP AND the RMB for the dollar over the past five years. You will see significant change in value.
The GBP has dropped a bit over the past year, but its value has remained high relative to the dollar.
And I'd say that the 33% increase in value of the rmb relative to the dollar during the past two years to be quite significant. No, a great revaluation on the part of the Chinese government isn't likely. It wants its currency to be low in value to make its products competitive on the world market. At this point, it might be a good idea for China to begin to take advantage of its buying power and to try to acquire international companies again. It attempted to acquire IBM as well as a foreign oil company but failed. It could try to acquire exploration companies again. It might be more successful at this point in the general downturn in the world economy. |
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bendan
Joined: 18 Jun 2004 Posts: 739 Location: North China
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Ms Bean wrote: |
Check the exchange rate for both the GBP AND the RMB for the dollar over the past five years. You will see significant change in value.
The GBP has dropped a bit over the past year, but its value has remained high relative to the dollar.
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Really? The pound has dropped from about 15 RMB to 10.5 now, and from over 2 USD to the pound down to around 1.5 now. As lpm782 said, the RMB largely follows the dollar, so any changes in the RMB-GBP rate are largely the product of changes in the USD-GBP rate. So, if you think the pound will stay at around 1.5 dollars, the RMB-GBP rate should stay around where it is now.
Of course, nothing seems certain these days, so we could see a depreciation of the RMB against the dollar, but personally I doubt there will be much movement. I'd expect the pound to be around 11 RMB for a while to come.
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And I'd say that the 33% increase in value of the rmb relative to the dollar during the past two years to be quite significant. |
How do you calculate 33%? It went from 8.27 to its current 6.84. That's a lot less than 33%. |
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Ms Bean

Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 110 Location: Wilmington
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Mea culpa. It comes out to 20.9%.
Geez, I should go to work for a bank. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Madeoff , the guy who fleeced 50 billion plus, why haven't i seen any headlines that say "Madeoff Made Off with 50 billion" |
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