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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:20 am Post subject: The future of TEFL |
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20 or so years ago TEFL was mainly something done by travelers who needed money.
Now it's grown to a respectful career, for the most part. Where more and more schools require some sort of qualification.
So what do you think the future holds for TEFL? |
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Wolf

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 1245 Location: Middle Earth
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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I think the market in Asia anyway might shrink a bit (except maybe China for a while.) I think that as time goes on, the market will continue to professionalize. I know that market forces - ie students would be needed to make the change, but I think that is what is going to happen. Let's use my favorite examle. Would you want to pay NOVA $5000 US for language lessons the way they teach them? Neither would I. Every Japanese person I knew, who knows as much about NOVA as I, wouldn't dream of paying prices like that. If NOVA's hiring practices, educational quality, etc were public knowledge in Japan, the company would go under in 3 days. Especially considering how tight the EFL market is in Japan, and the fact that comparatively better shcools exist.
It's not going to be 3 days, I know. But 20 years from now I think that in many places EFL will be a more professional industry to work in. As students begin to "vote with their feet" and go to schools with better educational quality (and therefore better teachers and a decent learning/teaching enviornment) then such schools would become more commonplace. Also, I think that government jobs in the industry will either improve or disappear.
What am I basing this on? A hunch. And the change won't be uniform all over the world at the same time. But if English continues to become the Lingua Franca that everyone choses to learn, then the profession of teaching it will continue to estabilsh itself and institutionalize. EFL in China is fully endorsed by the government, and I know few people in China who despise learning English or see it as some sort of cultural imperialism. I admit that my sample of people I know isn't great, but I really don't think there's a lot of resentment here for that. Even if the market stops growing and doesn't shrink or shrinks very slowly, odds are still that the "groundwork" that's being laid today will be improved upon by the time I'm 46.
That's just what I think. I'm also gambling that jobs might become more stable as time goes on, but that's more a hope than a guess. |
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Wolf wrote: |
English continues to become the Lingua Franca |
I love that phrase. I can just hear the French wincing in toto every time it is said  |
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Wolf

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 1245 Location: Middle Earth
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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shmooj wrote: |
Wolf wrote: |
English continues to become the Lingua Franca |
I love that phrase. I can just hear the French wincing in toto every time it is said  |
I know what it means. But I'm only repeating what I've heard other people say here.
Hang on, checking my good friend
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lingua fran�ca ( P ) Pronunciation Key (frngk)
n. pl. lingua fran�cas (-kz) also linguae fran�cae (frngk, frns)
A medium of communication between peoples of different languages. |
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n : a common language used by speakers of different languages |
But yes, in Latin it would mean the "French Language." You'd think that the Lingua Franca would have a better name for itself.  |
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struelle
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 2372 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: The future of TEFL |
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20 or so years ago TEFL was mainly something done by travelers who needed money.
Now it's grown to a respectful career, for the most part. Where more and more schools require some sort of qualification.
So what do you think the future holds for TEFL? |
It's moving in a nice direction, and overall, the industry is becoming more professional. Even so, the flexibility of this career is still here, and I hope it continues. Being able to teach in multiple countries around the globe is really an advantage. Or, for those who like to stay in one place, that can be done too.
What I'd like to see in the future for many countries is less government interference in the industry. Along with this, there may be more international standards set for the industry. I know, dream on, but consider what happens when governments issue whimsical decrees that don't always reflect market needs or TEFL realities.
For example, China may say, "OK, let's get the backpackers out. We don't want 'em. TEFL certificates, experience, and BA's to come in, please."
It's good to require more qualifications, and to discourage backpackers. But the door may be shut in future for inexperienced but motivated teachers who are looking for a place to start. The net effect would be less teachers to fill the glut of positions available.
More generally, there may be more language positions availabe than just English in future. The rise of other international languages may create more jobs, and English could face competition. A possible contender is Mandarin Chinese, as China's economy continues to have more global influence.
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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The Chinese will shortly discover what a waste of money it is to pay foreigners to do the Chinese bosses' bidding when a CHinese teacher can do that so much more fficiently and cheaply! |
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shenyanggerry
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 619 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Roger said:
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The Chinese will shortly discover what a waste of money it is to pay foreigners to do the Chinese bosses' bidding when a CHinese teacher can do that so much more fficiently and cheaply! |
I taught students that had had Chinese English teachers for years - at least six, usually more. They had been trained to pass tests, not speak English. After a semester of practice, there was a noted improvement in their ability to SPEAK English to communicate as well as to pass tests.
I don't say that Chinese teachers couldn't achieve this, but only that they didn't. |
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FGT

Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:11 am Post subject: |
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In the same way that we, as teachers, have to enable our students to become self sufficient learners/developers of language; perhaps the industry should concentrate on enabling local teachers to teach English adequately/better than they do already. We would therefore be out of our jobs but might transfer to teacher training (?).
Slightly tongue in cheek but I'm sure the powers that be have already thought it. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Do you think CALL is the way of the future, or is this only reserved for the Gulf States? I don't know if it has caught on (too expensive) in other regions of the world. |
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nighthawk
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 60 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:23 am Post subject: Iconoclastically speaking |
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Wolf wrote:
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It's not going to be 3 days, I know. But 20 years from now I think that in many places EFL will be a more professional industry to work in. As students begin to "vote with their feet" and go to schools with better educational quality (and therefore better teachers and a decent learning/teaching environment) then such schools would become more commonplace. |
I have a friend who�s been teaching in Mexico for years who just e-mailed me about this. Here�s what he said:
"In Mexico, where most people value quantity over quality, it's easy for private language schools to get by with hiring untrained, inexperienced teachers if that keeps their costs down, because students would rather pay 500 pesos to be taught by a pisspoor teacher than pay 1,000 pesos to be taught by someone who knows what he's doing� There was a school here that was a good example of a school going against the standard way of doing things. It was an expensive private language school here, and students who studied there for a couple of years came out with very good English language skills. The owner made a real effort to hire only qualified teachers and insisted that they did a good job of teaching. The school went bankrupt."
Now do I think that in 20 years Mexicans will be smart enough to value quality over quantity? I wouldn�t give them that much credit! Wolf and anyone who agrees with Wolf, what makes you think that these people (Mexicans or Japanese) are going to smarten up? Is it really that hard for the Japanese students at Nova to figure out that they�re being scammed? Perhaps they like letting themselves be lied to. Maybe they�re just stupid like that because there culture�s messed up! |
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Celeste
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 814 Location: Fukuoka City, Japan
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Here in F ukuoka, Japan I am using a brand new snazzy CALL system and My students (teachers doing in service training) love it. It was a bit of a steep learning curve for me at first, but now that I am comfortable with the software, I love it too. The old CALL system that we had here at the city education centre sat unused for the majority of the time because they only provided a Japanese manual, and even that (according to my Japanese co-workers) was incomprehensible and didn't have an index making it nearly impossible to find the functions you wanted to use. For our current system, the company that installed it provided English and Japanese manuals where possible, and sent English speaking technicians to train me how to use it. (Funny how I use the thing a lot more if I can do more than turn it on!) |
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Dr.J

Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 304 Location: usually Japan
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:28 am Post subject: |
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I suppose it'll be like any other industry - as English becomes more important, schools will start to get more professional.
On the other hand, there are so many suckers in the world I don't see a rapid change. |
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Wolf

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 1245 Location: Middle Earth
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:48 am Post subject: Re: They're all dummies |
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nighthawk wrote: |
Now do I think that in 20 years Mexicans will be smart enough to value quality over quantity? I wouldn�t give them that much credit! Wolf and anyone who agrees with Wolf, what makes you think that these people (Mexicans or Japanese) are going to smarten up? Is it really that hard for the Japanese students at Nova to figure out that they�re being scammed? Perhaps they like letting themselves be lied to. Maybe they�re just stupid like that because there culture�s messed up! |
Why so opomistic? Simple. People and governments spend a lot of money on EFL education in places like Japan and Mexico. Some institutes or places of study will be effective, and some will not. Once enough money has been wasted for enough decades, I think anyone would decide to make a change. Who likes seeing a good deal of their savings go up in smoke? More importantly as other people or nations become adept at foreign languages - and assuming that English continues to be an important "international language" - then there will be a necessity to compete. Necessity does wonders for motivation.
That's why.
Also, having actually taught in Japan, I know for a fact that there are many Japanese who wouldn't be caught dead at NOVA for the reasons you can find listed on this site and others. I was also able to persuade many of my Japanese and Korean friends that NOVA was crap (why I changed jobs was a big topic of conversation at times.) They "smartened up," as you put it, in a matter of minutes. Or even years before I spoke to them. P.T. Barnum wasn't a Japanese guy. There are enough suckers to keep scams in business all over the world. If I prove the existance of one scam that has sucessfully operated within US territory, will that make all Americans "stupid ... because they're culture is all messed up?" I wouldn't think that a fair thing to say.
It can be hard for people in Japan to figure out that they're being scammed. It is unheard of to question the validity of a large company in Japan. It is even more difficult to actively challange such a company by, for instance, demanding a refund. Yet, this has been done on occasion.
Things change. Once enough money is needlessly wasted, and it becomes imparative to spend educational funds more wisely, things will change for the better. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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I would of course love to see higher standards, schools asking for more qualified teachers, etc. The problem, or one of the problems, is money: qualified teachers cost more than unqualified ones; those of us paying off loans right now know that there are only a few countries whose salaries are high enough. I wonder if requiring that teachers be suitably trained would price English lessons out of the reach of many students in many countries.
I remember having a sort of cynical doomsday chat with my students in Prague (little cynics, every one! how I miss them!). I remember half-joking about a World War III scenario in which the US fell from its place as the current world superpower, and English, or at least American English, was no longer "cool" or necessary, having been replaced by the language of the newly crowned hegemon. I guess a lot of us would be out of jobs...
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Disclaimer: I most certainly do not wish to imply that I support the US' current "leadership," or that I think a WWIII scenario is likely. Heavens, no!!! |
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