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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:07 am    Post subject: Death of a Student Reply with quote

I have a student in my ESL class in public school who was thought to be perfectly healthy, but in the last two weeks they have discovered that she is extremely sick and will likely only live a few more weeks. I feel like I have to tell my class, but I'm really worried about things being lost in translation. With her homeroom we are going to bring in a nurse and a counsellor, but that's all going to be in English. Any ideas on how best to take up the topic with students who may not understand everything they are being told? These kids are between thirteen and sixteen years old and in general are considered to be at level two (out of five, so they are high beginners more or less).
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this is public school, stay out of it. Let the local adminstrators deal with the issue.

I had a class where one boy committed suicide. Nothing needed to be said. The day that most of my students were absent, I suspected it was for the funeral, asked, confirmed, then moved on.

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With her homeroom we are going to bring in a nurse and a counsellor, but that's all going to be in English.
Why? Where do you teach?
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the OP is teaching in an English medium country now.
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a public school in an English-speaking country. I teach ESL. Admin has told me to plan how I am going to deal with it and present my plan to them before saying or doing anything. They think I should handle the situation because I know the kids personally (it was difficult to convince them that a nurse and counsellor were needed in homeroom). If I don't tell them they won't know until her obituary is published, due to hospital and family cirumstances, plus they won't even be able to read the obituary so they'll hear it third-hand from their classmates, and I've been told by other teachers that is a really bad way to let them find out.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Jetgirly,

I hope these may be of some use:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE7DC103AF93AA15750C0A964958260&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=all

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:sG3Vpv3TpLAJ:www.u-46.org/sehs/cbgi/student_handouts.pdf+How+to+tell+students+about+the+death+of+a+classmate&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/health_advice/facts/death.htm

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:qGEwQiEeZy8J:waupaca.uwex.edu/documents/TheDeathofaClassmate.pdf+How+to+tell+students+about+the+death+of+a+classmate&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Very sorry,
John
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also sorry. In addition to be extremely sad, this is an incredibly hard one to handle.

Is there a nurse, counselor, or other profesional with knowledge of this situation who also knows your ESL students? If so, that person should be available when you break the news. (Admin could resist. If they do, point out that the nurse and counselor are available in the homeroom, and that you think that ESL students are just as important. They'll give in.)

And then plan it.

Plan it like you would anything else communicative. Plan how you'll present the information. Plan how you'll check understanding. Plan for likely questions- and your answers.

One extremely likely question is "What can/should we do?" Obviously, there ain't much. But think of possibilities.

Another question- what are these kids' native languages? Are there language assistants/translators/interpreters who can help you with this? Use whatever you can get.

And best of luck in this difficult situation.


Justin
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admin wants you to plan how to break the news to them? Sheesh! How are they handling the native English speaking students? Here in Japan, there would be an assembly and a short story (sometimes a lie).

I'd get together with admin pronto and have a powwow. Why should the burden be on you? Bring in the trained pros.
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lozwich



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Justin, if you can, get a translator in to help with this one. That way they will understand, and be able to ask questions.

Good luck,
Lozwich.
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denise



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Admin wants you to plan how to break the news to them? Sheesh! How are they handling the native English speaking students? Here in Japan, there would be an assembly and a short story (sometimes a lie).

I'd get together with admin pronto and have a powwow. Why should the burden be on you? Bring in the trained pros.


I agree. According to my naive understanding of the world, admin should be there to help you...

Good luck.

Sad
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SueH



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for those links John. I haven't read them but I'll bear them in mind.

I have a kid from a small private group that I teach who has leukaemia. The language isn't an issue and the others in the group will know before I do, but I'd still like to be prepared if the worst happens.
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Lhenderson



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive been in similar situations.

I found it was a good chance to teach medical vocabulary and role play hospital, funeral, visit a doctor, etc.

Lots of good medical word sites online.
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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lhenderson wrote:
Ive been in similar situations.

I found it was a good chance to teach medical vocabulary and role play hospital, funeral, visit a doctor, etc.

Lots of good medical word sites online.


Lhenderson, you can't be serious? It would be in very poor taste to do anything of the sort around the time of a fellow-student's death.
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guty



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP said
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I feel like I have to tell my class,

Why do you feel that? Isn't this better left to somebody else, in fact isn't it someone else's job to do this?


Lhenderson said
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I found it was a good chance to teach medical vocabulary and role play hospital, funeral, visit a doctor, etc.

I would like to hear more about this. I have never before considered role playing things like funerals, bereavement counselling, breaking the news of a terminal illness, etc. Have I been shortchanging my students, or is it better to do this only when one of the students is putting it all in context for the others?
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP said

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Admin has told me to plan how I am going to deal with it and present my plan to them before saying or doing anything. They think I should handle the situation because I know the kids personally (it was difficult to convince them that a nurse and counsellor were needed in homeroom). If I don't tell them they won't know until her obituary is published, due to hospital and family cirumstances, plus they won't even be able to read the obituary so they'll hear it third-hand from their classmates, and I've been told by other teachers that is a really bad way to let them find out.


Guty said

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Why do you feel that? Isn't this better left to somebody else, in fact isn't it someone else's job to do this?


Guty, see above for why she feels she has to. She was TOLD she has to. It doesn't sound fair, really- shouldn't it be up to school counselors?
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Madame J



Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcoregano wrote:
Lhenderson wrote:
Ive been in similar situations.

I found it was a good chance to teach medical vocabulary and role play hospital, funeral, visit a doctor, etc.

Lots of good medical word sites online.


Lhenderson, you can't be serious? It would be in very poor taste to do anything of the sort around the time of a fellow-student's death.


My exact reaction. Maybe it would be a good idea to teach all this in preparation for the unlikely event of having to break some similar news to a class, but surely not after such news has already been broken?
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