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s0436 · Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Posts: 16

I presume you need a CELTA + a short course in Aviation English eg. Anglo-Continental's AE course?

Any recommendations? Is there a course available where you can do the initial teacher training + aviation English in one?

I have no teaching certificates or experience.

Anda · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province

First you have to teach them basic English and then get basic books on Aviation. I taught Russian Helicopter crews in PNG.

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Glenski · Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

Just who do you plan to teach this to? Pilots? Flight attendants? Tower crew? Military aviators? Will they be shooting for a certain ICAO level?

A search for "aviation English" on Yahoo comes up with a zillion hits for programs.
Example:
http://www.aviationenglishspecialists.com/index.html
http://www.iata.org/training/courses/aviation_english.htm
http://www.aviationenglishtraining.com/index.html
http://www.icaea.net/

Do you have any experience in the aviation industry, or are you going to learn the lingo on your own before (or as) you teach your students?

You might benefit from reading this article on blended learning as applied to teaching aviation English. (or since you have no experience, it might be a little beyond you)
http://www.icao.int/icao/en/anb/meetings/ials2/Docs/19.Connelly.pdf

Justin Trullinger · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:47 am Post subject:

s0436 · Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Posts: 16

I am not a pilot and only have knowledge of aviation through being an ardent user of Flight Simulator X software...I feel I have a good knowledge of terminology, ICAO codes, atc phraseology etc. I also have two degrees in the social sciences, which might be handy in terms of analysis and organisational skills as a backdrop.

I don't mind who I teach really.

About AE, I find their site confusing and they don't give enough details about the courses, I thought the relevant one for me might be "Professional Training Course for Raters / Assessors" http://www.anglo-continental.com/en/uk/courses/Aviation/raters-assessors.htm

Anda · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province

s0436 you haven't said if you have a Uni degree yet as most Asian countries immigration departments for instance want a four year university degree.

Today of all days I have just started to prep a young Chinese man to go to Canada to do one year at Uni or whatever before he can come back here and start flying.

My student has finished studying to be a pilot at a Uni in Beijing that trains pilots and astronauts. He showed me his textbooks from Uni and everything is in English. Despite getting through Uni his English is basic to say the least. Now I am prepping him in conversational English and pronunciation. What I have subjected to him is that I read his text books from Uni here and he records onto something. Then I have told him he needs to listen and following the words in his textbook. A few words I don't know how to pronounce and I've told him so but most I can handle.

Don�t be put off going for such a job. I see myself as study facilitator where I teach my students how to self study and get the material together so they can. I get good results.

s0436 · Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Posts: 16

Glenski · Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

Anda · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province

Yep, don't press degrees in social sciences as it Australia at least it is a cop out subject with a 70% pass rate and won't pull many jobs in Oz. I know one course being Aquatic Science where they failed 96% in the graduate diploma exam in the forth year. The fail rate in the course I did was 85%.

As I said you need a four year degree to satisfy immigration. Some places like low quality institutes will produce a degree sometimes for someone who doesn't have one when they are short on staff.

Justin Trullinger · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject:

Having the degrees you do probably says something in terms of your discipline, academic inclination, etc. Maybe even in terms of analysis and organisation.

But it doesn't say much in terms of language analysis, or knowledge of language learning or acquisition. And that's definitely what any reputable center hiring for aviation English teachers is going to want- knowledge of languages and how to investigate their uses in specific circumstances, and how to teach them.

Flight simulator X is fun! I use it some in training of pilots, and in training of teachers to teach pilots. But it's mostly a sophisticated computer game, not really professional training by itself.

The AE course you mention is primarily aimed at those who will be evaluating English proficiency levels, not just teaching. If I recall, there are some experience requirements to enter the course, aren't there?

I guess the question remains unanswered- why aviation, why English teaching, or, from an employers point of view, why you?

s0436 · Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Posts: 16

I think you may have missed my point. I stated that have no experience and only have degrees to my name, nothing to do with TEFL, I never said nor expect an EFL job with just my social science Masters degree! I wanted advice as per the "NEWBIE FORUM" about how to start from scratch in the world of teaching aviation English. I also explained why I chose this area because of my interest using FSX and my knowledge from that, so why not go into EFL for Aviation, as I do have an interest.

Anda · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province

As I stated above first off you need to teach Basic English to your students and then the specialized English for aviation and how to fit these words etc, into basic sentences

Have a look at this material:

http://www.a-e-link.com/?gclid=CPOPwMHjhpUCFQH4egodcz2P1w

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English teaching is an ongoing learning experience so don't be scared just do net searches for aviation Universities in countries that you would like to work in and apply.

Justin Trullinger · Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject:

Justin Trullinger · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject:

A course I've just heard of:

http://www.relta.org/teachertraining.html

I hope that some teachers I work with will be able to do this course in the coming year. It also appears to be open to new teachers.

Personally, I'd still be hesitant to hire new teachers to teach pilots, given the stakes of aviation ENglish training, but someone might.

Best,
Justin

davidde · Joined: 06 May 2010 Posts: 9

This is an older thread, but wanted to hear from some members currently teaching Aviation English. I've 15+ years teaching aviation, and additional years teaching other courses. I would love to combine the English with years of flying and instructing.

I understand the comments about needing to be able to teach English, and i know pilots and what is needed in commuications with ATC to provide a safe platform. I am attempting to find where that balance between aviation and English. Any insights would be appriciated

Thanks in advance,
Dave

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