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gonzarelli

Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 151 Location: trouble in the henhouse
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: Reverse Culture Shock |
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I'm moving back home after a few years in Japan. I'm already feeling sad that my time here is coming to an end. I'll be back to visit from time to time cuz my GF is Japanese and we're planning to tie the knot in the near future. She'll stay behind for the first few months though.
I've heard a lot about reverse culture shock and I'm pretty worried about how I'll cope. For those who've been through it, how did you cope? How long did it last? Any tips or advice will be appreciated. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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I've no idea where you call home. But if you are going home to Britain then forget about punctual trains; the rail timetables will cease to have any semblence of reliability. Don't expect cheerful "Irashaimase" when you walk into a shop as you may end up with some gum-chewing school dropout telling you to wait a minute as she's on the phone to her boyfriend. Expect the fact that the majority of your friends aren't really that interested in what you have been doing in Japan but are sure you'll be interested in who Gary's shagging these days.
Well, there are all kinds of things that could happen... |
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Odango
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Posts: 36
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
I've no idea where you call home. But if you are going home to Britain then forget about punctual trains; the rail timetables will cease to have any semblence of reliability. Don't expect cheerful "Irashaimase" when you walk into a shop as you may end up with some gum-chewing school dropout telling you to wait a minute as she's on the phone to her boyfriend. Expect the fact that the majority of your friends aren't really that interested in what you have been doing in Japan but are sure you'll be interested in who Gary's shagging these days.
Well, there are all kinds of things that could happen... |
I know the feeling... |
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callmesim
Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 279 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
Expect the fact that the majority of your friends aren't really that interested in what you have been doing in Japan but are sure you'll be interested in who Gary's shagging these days.
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So true. Within the first week back I found myself stuck in a conversation about how nice someone's new jacket was and how it was on sale. I had nothing to contribute but everyone else did - enough to keep the conversation going long enough for me to question why I'd come back. |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Well the best way to deal with culture shock both ways is to expose yourself to it until it stops. Basically keep moving backwards and forwards.
Probably the biggest thing to get over, as others have mentioned, is the complete lack of interest, let alone understanding, of what you have experienced in Japan. Best way to avoid this to be conscious of not constantly referring to your time in Japan in reference to everything ("Nice weather"
"Yes, In Japan you get days like this but they are different"
"You want a cup of coffeee?"
"Yeah coffee in Japan is so expensive and the coffee shops are so smoky...yadayada in Japan yadablahblahin Japanblah") Let others bring up the topic in conversation and keep it brief.
Find some Japanese activities that you did in Japan, it gives you a sense of being Japanese in 'home' setting (your GF will find these useful later as well)
Speaking of the future bride, if you are serious, get her 'home' as soon as possible, much of the culture shock will be amplified by missing her. |
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JonnyB61

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Gonzarelli
I know what you mean. In 1997 I went back to Brighton, England after 4 � years in Hong Kong.
These are the things which struck me:
Young beggars in their teens and twenties with blankets and dogs sitting in shop doorways asking for money. Now moved on, I�m glad to say.
Multiple face-piercings, which were unknown when I went away. Imagine my surprise at seeing people walking down the street with half a ton of scrap metal hanging out of their faces.
The general lack of respect for other people.
Alcopops. That is to say, sweet, fruit flavoured, fizzy, alcoholic drinks, for 18 year olds who wanted to drink but didn�t really like the taste of booze.
Trains which were, and still are, overpriced, unreliable, and, sometimes, didn�t even go to the destinations they were supposed to.
The demise of the Tory Government.
And on the other side of the coin:
The sky.
The greensward.
Attractive architecture built to last.
Wattle and Daub with Thatched Roofs.
Hand-pull beer pumps with shining brass labels.
Pints of foaming ale pulled by hand from English oak.
Chatty barmaids with blonde hair and big knockers.
Steak and kidney pies with flaky pastry crusts.
A general sense of fair play.
The favourite in the 3:45 at Goodwood.
The sound of leather on willow.
A dog barking in a village in Sussex being heard in a village in Kent.
The peel of church bells on Sunday mornings.
The early morning mist rolling through the dell.
Bluebells in the woods in Spring time.
Happiness.
Home.
Enough, or too much already!
All in all, it took me about a month to get used to it again.
You�re going home! You�ll be fine. Don�t worry about it.
All the best,
JB |
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nomadder

Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 709 Location: Somewherebetweenhereandthere
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Understanding strangers' freakish conversations, not bagging your groceries yourself, driving everywhere, lots of room, mix of hair colours/body types etc., lots more entertainment opps, joking with sales clerks, different food, hand shaking, etc..... |
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J.
Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 327
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: Locating the nearest |
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Asian grocery so you can get your miso soup, sushi, rice, nori etc fix.
Chatting to and understanding newcomers to your land better, sometimes better than you understand your friends/family.
Lamenting the lack of job opportunities, and wondering when so and so became Prime Minister/ mayor/TV star etc. There will be a big gap in your political/cultural knowledge if you've been gone more than a few years.
Wondering how the kids got so mature/ mouthy ( compared to the local school children), but that could just be age creeping up.
Being constantly amazed by all the fresh air and space and few people in it ( if you're outside a big city). |
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ironopolis
Joined: 01 Apr 2004 Posts: 379
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:41 am Post subject: |
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furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
I've no idea where you call home. But if you are going home to Britain then forget about punctual trains; the rail timetables will cease to have any semblence of reliability. Don't expect cheerful "Irashaimase" when you walk into a shop as you may end up with some gum-chewing school dropout telling you to wait a minute as she's on the phone to her boyfriend. Expect the fact that the majority of your friends aren't really that interested in what you have been doing in Japan but are sure you'll be interested in who Gary's shagging these days. |
Also being from the UK I'd agree with most of that....or to be more precise I could agree with that, depending what mood I was in.
Certainly not much argument about trains, but if I was thinking about other public transport like city buses, or particularly long distance coaches, I'd not be so nostalgic for Japan if I was back in the UK. Ditto for driving and short distance air travel. Likewise, a smiling "irrashaimase" is undeniably preferable to some obnoxious kid behind the counter greeting the customer with "yeah, what?". But OTOH, just like not all customer service in the UK is rude & obnoxious, that candy-coated "irrashaimase" doesn't mean so much when the staff saying it then freak out if you ask them the simplest of questions. And personally, my friends back in Britain DID tend to be interested in what I'd been doing in Japan, although I'm sure that's more a reflection of how good a relationship one has with those friends, rather than how good or bad a place the country is.
Ultimately, there will always be good points of your home country to focus on compared with Japan, and bad ones too. You just adjust the balance to suit yourself. Going back home is very much like coming to Japan (or anywhere else for that matter) in the first place - it's very much just what you, yourself, make of it.
Johnny's advice is good IMO - you'll be fine....if you want to be. Good luck either way! |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:09 am Post subject: |
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After one year in Japan, I went back to Canada. Boy, did I ever miss Japan!
Fortunately, there is a large Asian community in my home city, a Japanese supermarket, and volunteer organizations for former JETs, Japanese community groups to work with and an international airport nearby.
Keep connected. If your partner is Japanese, this is easier (s/he's motivated and motivation!).
The Japanese artifacts I brought back - cooking, language skills, housekeeping tricks, habits of mind, teaching insight - really made my life richer. I also had a community of people around me who had travelled or lived in other countries before, so the sense of being alien in the homeland was lesser than other people's experiences.
I also made friends with Japanese folk and people who'd lived in Japan or other countries.
Good luck on your return! |
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Dipso
Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Posts: 194 Location: England
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:21 am Post subject: |
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After my first stint TEFL-ing overseas, reverse culture shock hit me hard when I went home - absolutely everything about Britain annoyed me. In particular, I found it very difficult to tune out the English around me when I was in pubs, on buses etc., which was rather distracting.
When I returned home after my second stint abroad I was anticipating experiencing reverse culture shock again and, as a result, it never actually appeared. Forewarned is forearmed and all that! I think if you can mentally prepare yourself for returning home before you leave, it really does soften the landing.
I do remember gazing at a 2 pound coin in wonder in a shop - I had no idea such things existed!  |
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Sour Grape
Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 241
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: |
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JonnyB61 wrote: |
And on the other side of the coin:
The sky.
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How is the sky in the UK different from the sky in Japan, apart from being blue at different times of year (England - blue in summer, grey in winter, Japan - blue in winter, grey in summer)? |
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Sherri
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 749 Location: The Big Island, Hawaii
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: |
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I've been back in the US for 3 years now. I did not experience reverse culture shock in any noticeable way but I was really ready to leave Japan. I think the people who feel reverse culture shock the most are the ones who really were not finished with the place they were in. Still some things made it easier for me. I left with my family so I had more stability, also there is a big Japanese community here. We can buy Japanese food and people here celebrate Japanese holidays. I am working with Japanese students and some of my co-workers are Japanese. I guess I still feel connected.
Life is much better for me here, like others said, (and having come from 14 years in Tokyo) having beauty all around me, a big house and yard, no one staring at me, a laid-back life style. I don't need to bore other people with tales of my travels and enjoying forming new friendships. |
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gonzarelli

Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 151 Location: trouble in the henhouse
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the great replies! Lots of good advice.
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Have not "gone home", as home is where I live, but this is a nice book.
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Looks like a good book Glenski. I'll be sure to read it once I get to Canada.
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Find some Japanese activities that you did in Japan, it gives you a sense of being Japanese in 'home' setting (your GF will find these useful later as well)
Speaking of the future bride, if you are serious, get her 'home' as soon as possible, much of the culture shock will be amplified by missing her. |
I agree with both of your points. Markle. I'll keep studying Japanese as I guess that's the biggest Japanese thing I did. Challenged 2 kyu last year but failed. Getting my GF 'home' as quickly as possible is a priority for both of us.
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Chatty barmaids with blonde hair and big knockers.
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Haha, I can look but I can't touch!!
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All in all, it took me about a month to get used to it again.
You�re going home! You�ll be fine. Don�t worry about it.
All the best, |
JB, I thought it would have taken longer than a month to get over it. Yeah, I'm going home. Sounds good!
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Yeah nomadder, I've often thought of how I miss this from back home. It feels awkward being so quiet at the grocery checkout. In Canada, I always at least say hello. I've tried it here a couple times but I got strange reactions and looks of shock from the clerks.
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Chatting to and understanding newcomers to your land better, |
Yep, J. Good point.
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Fortunately, there is a large Asian community in my home city, a Japanese supermarket, and volunteer organizations for former JETs, Japanese community groups to work with and an international airport nearby. |
TokyoLiz, when I read your post I immediately thought of Vancouver. Are you in Vancouver? That's where my GF and I plan to settle down. She's been on a couple home stays there and she has many friends there already. She's mentioned the Japanese supermarket there.
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I think the people who feel reverse culture shock the most are the ones who really were not finished with the place they were in. |
I agree Sherri. I've been in Japan for five years and I think I've been ready to leave for over a year now. I delayed leaving because I was scared to leave my girl behind. Now, I really must go because I got word of a family illness. The time is right to leave. I know I'll be back to visit with my GF in the future. This keeps me from worrying about things I haven't done yet. |
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