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veiledsentiments
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Does this suggest that they will do away with the silly "certification of degrees" which has never proved anything? I tried to tell them that back in the 1980s - and finally last year they had to deal with all the fake degrees that had been hired by the Ministry of Higher Education. Hopefully they will go getting official transcripts directly from the universities as is done at HCT in the UAE.
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Does this suggest that they will do away with the silly "certification of degrees" which has never proved anything? I tried to tell them that back in the 1980s - and finally last year they had to deal with all the fake degrees that had been hired by the Ministry of Higher Education. Hopefully they will go getting official transcripts directly from the universities as is done at HCT in the UAE.
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Firstly, could you explain who 'them' refers to? Do you mean the Ministry of Education? Were you an important consultant or advisor working for the government? Your reponse seems to imply this. If this is the case, why didn't they listen to your wise advice? Even the US government used to use this 'silly' method in the past for its employees.
Secondly, why is certification silly? It's worked for years; of course, it's true that occasionally someone turns up with false documentation but that happens even more nowadays as people churn out fake diplomas on their computers and printers. Anything can be forged now. In the old days you had to show the original documents, stamps, seals and all and get it certified. A fairly reliable system and not silly. It is just one way to demonstrate credentials.
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veiledsentiments
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Does this suggest that they will do away with the silly "certification of degrees" which has never proved anything? I tried to tell them that back in the 1980s - and finally last year they had to deal with all the fake degrees that had been hired by the Ministry of Higher Education. Hopefully they will go getting official transcripts directly from the universities as is done at HCT in the UAE.
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Madam
Firstly, could you explain who 'them' refers to? Do you mean the Ministry of Education? Were you an important consultant or advisor working for the government? Your reponse seems to imply this. If this is the case, why didn't they listen to your wise advice? Even the US government used to use this 'silly' method in the past for its employees.
Secondly, why is certification silly? It's worked for years; of course, it's true that occasionally someone turns up with false documentation but that happens even more nowadays as people churn out fake diplomas on their computers and printers. Anything can be forged now. In the old days you had to show the original documents, stamps, seals and all and get it certified. A fairly reliable system and not silly. It is just one way to demonstrate credentials.
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Rather than repeat this discussion again (I have posted it repeatedly over the years) I will respond to you by PM on this issue. I discussed with the administration at SQU and yes, I did discuss it with people at the Ministry. Oman is such a small country and it was very informal back in the late 80s and early 90s, so it really isn't bragging to say that. And it was wise advice that would have saved them hiring hundreds of teachers - even professors - with fake certificates.
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washingtonpost
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Rather than repeat this discussion again (I have posted it repeatedly over the years) I will respond to you by PM on this issue. I discussed with the administration at SQU and yes, I did discuss it with people at the Ministry. Oman is such a small country and it was very informal back in the late 80s and early 90s, so it really isn't bragging to say that. And it was wise advice that would have saved them hiring hundreds of teachers - even professors - with fake certificates.
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I worked in Oman for 10 years in three different establishments (including one of the infamous tech schools) and there was only one occasion when someone was found to have fake certificates. Who were these 'hundreds of teachers-even professors'? I don't doubt there were some teachers with forged documents but hundreds? Surely this is an exageeration. SQU only opened in 1986 and from what I heard most of the professors and teachers were bona fide.
Transcripts can be forged too. Some 'reputable universities will forge documents for a fee. Look at all the Gulf students who have returned with diplomas they never genuinely earned. There are quite a few cases of these. Sad to say, almost all of the cases of forged transcripts and diplomas of Emirati and Saudi students I have heard about come from the US universities and one or two which are supposed to be top drawer places. What about US universities who have two standards of requirements for diplomas - US born and foreign students?? The standards for the foreign students is often not the same as those required for American students. Quite a few universities in Florida, California, Arizona and Ohio have earned a reputation among Gulf students for doing this. Note how many students (especially Saudis) choose to study at certain universities. How often have you come across someone with a supposed PhD from the States who has trouble expressing himself correctly in English both writing and speaking? I've met quite a few of these types, too.
My point is faking documentation and credentials is a worldwide problem and will continue as long as people can devise programs to produce legitimate looking documents and certificates. |
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