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Interac Apt. vs. Guesthouse

 
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El_Mero_Mero



Joined: 27 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:12 am    Post subject: Interac Apt. vs. Guesthouse Reply with quote

This is a serious question. I will be working with Interac soon, and from what I've seen it seems like they are trying to force me to choose an apartment, or a Leopalace accomodation.

Last time I was in Japan I stayed in a guesthouse. The only reason I would want to stay in my own apartment would be for the sake of having loud sex and playing moderate to loud music every so often, at least thrice a week. Its the only way I can justify the key money, plus the deposit, plus the insurance on the building, plus the monthly rent.

Will I be able to use the apartment for what I want? If not, should I just tell them that I already found another place on my own?

Thanks.
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JL



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a Japanese apartment, you're going to be heard having the loud sex just as much as you would doing it in a guesthouse. So cross that off the list of apartment advantages (or disadvantages). I suppose having roommates observe you, barge in on you, or join in the activities, still remains more likely in a guesthouse, though.
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elkarlo



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought Leopalace didn't have that key money scam going on?

As far as noise. I guess you will have less neighbors at least. But I heard my neighbors conversations threw the walls. So that could still very well be an issue as JL says. I guess you'll have to leave your door unlocked in an apartment for your neighbors to join in=)
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El_Mero_Mero



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, what would the process for Leopalace be though? There must be some kind of cost upfront, right? Because, I'm strictly looking at it from the point of "Why would my own apartment be more advantageous. The guesthouse I satayed in before had no utilities that needed paying. I did have one girl in my room once that wanted to do a little bit of roleplaying before, and wanted to be submissive. I had to tell her that she can't get too creative as I had rooms so close to me.

Playing music will drown out sounds, but you can't play music at night. Walking into a new apartment building and handing every tenant ear plugs on my first day may seem a little awkward.

In all seriousness though, some of us go to the country for savings, some go for girls, some go for a genuine interest in teaching, etc. The ideal would be to make the most of it without having to break your bank.
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ripslyme



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

El_Mero_Mero wrote:
So, what would the process for Leopalace be though? There must be some kind of cost upfront, right?


Check out this page:
http://leopalace21.co.kr/eng/service/ser_02.php
According to the example listed at the bottom, the upfront cost is everything. So as long as you have 900,000 yen ready to go, you won't have to worry about rent/utilities for a whole year! Very Happy
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El_Mero_Mero



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked at the link on the bottom of that website. I don't have that kind of money right now, but when all 12 months were said and done, I would end up paying less for the Leopalace apt. then another private apt.
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elkarlo



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been talking to a lady in Chiba. SHe checked out the Apartments in Ichihara, which is south of Chiba. She said the average cost was 3mon to 5mon yen a month. So I think even with Key money it won't be as astronomical as some people make it out to be, Maybe a $2K start up, as oppossed to $5k like they make it sound. Which maybe true in Tokyo.

Also did you hear anything about being able to take over an apartment from the ALT that is leaving? I heard if we do that then there is no key money paid and the such.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

30,000 yen for an apartment, even in Chiba? Maybe so, but make sure it has a shower/bath, as many of the cheapest apartments don't and you have to go to a sento. 45,000-50,000 sounds more normal, and that is still quite expensive to move into when you usually pay 1-2 months key money, 1-2 months deposit, 1 month agency fee and 2 months rent in advance (first and last months' rent). Then you have to buy furniture, fridge, often the light fittings and gas cooker, washing machine etc. (unless you want to go to the coin laundry all the time), so you've already gone well over your $2,000 there.

My husband and I paid close to a million yen all up to move into our apartment in Tokyo- the monthly rent is 110,000, but once you have included the above and furnished it the costs get pretty high.

10,000 is "man" by the way- "mon" means gate.
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elkarlo



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
30,000 yen for an apartment, even in Chiba? Maybe so, but make sure it has a shower/bath, as many of the cheapest apartments don't and you have to go to a sento. 45,000-50,000 sounds more normal, and that is still quite expensive to move into when you usually pay 1-2 months key money, 1-2 months deposit, 1 month agency fee and 2 months rent in advance (first and last months' rent). Then you have to buy furniture, fridge, often the light fittings and gas cooker, washing machine etc. (unless you want to go to the coin laundry all the time), so you've already gone well over your $2,000 there.

My husband and I paid close to a million yen all up to move into our apartment in Tokyo- the monthly rent is 110,000, but once you have included the above and furnished it the costs get pretty high.

10,000 is "man" by the way- "mon" means gate.



Well it is in Ichihara if that means anything. I guess that starts getting really far from Tokyo/Yokohama.

For crying out loud, those set up costs are just silly, and there is no reason for them. It's not like any of these apartments are all that nice. Nor should an agency even be involved. I never used one in the States, it's called looking. As most Apartments are pretty similar.

I understand that this is the reality, but it is just silly. No wonder Japanese kids don't move out till 30. Well crap, I only have about $4k, I gues it's back to debt for me. Really with all the trouble involved, I mean with the interview, and and the endless application, I am surprised anyone ever moved to Japan@_@

Oh can anyone answer this is Leopalace with
out key money and the such?

I know I am a terrible speller, I have really bad dyslexia. I hope I made you feel bad pointing this out=P
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are such a terrible speller, how come there aren't any mistakes in the above post? Surprised Sorry, I'll get off your case about the spelling now Wink
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elkarlo



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
If you are such a terrible speller, how come there aren't any mistakes in the above post? Surprised Sorry, I'll get off your case about the spelling now Wink


On account of me being super extra careful.

No worries, I was teasing back. I am bad at spelling, but I really don't mind it when people point it out. Oh and a lot of normal apartments in Ichihara are like 50,000 yen a month. I may just go towards Futtsu then. As rent can be as low as 30,000 for decent places.
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grapejuice



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:01 am    Post subject: Avoid Interac.... Reply with quote

Interac sucks, find a job that provides the apt. or Key money.
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bearcat



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: Avoid Interac.... Reply with quote

grapejuice wrote:
Interac sucks, find a job that provides the apt. or Key money.


Good luck with that... most these days do not. Some will provide it but you're required to pay those costs back in payments spread out through your contract and may also include some sort of "appliances set" too.

As far as the upfront/key monies are concerned its important to understand the break down of what they are and why:

Reikin-
This is a fee paid to the oyasan(landlord) for the purposes/priviledge of moving in. Thus its a "key fee". Some say that this system started just after WW2 in Japan when housing/places to rent/live were far and few between and the reikin was a "thank you" or "bonus" to the oyasan. However some landlords charge this to defer fees they have to pay to the rental agency/lease management company that are not covered in the tesuryo or for some other purpose that does not equal a pocketable profit to the land lord. Its not always true but it can be.

In some parts of Japan too, a reikin can be expected to be paid every so many years that someone stays in the apartment as well, though this tradition from what I understand is dying out.

Shikikin-

This is a fee paid to renovate, repair, upgrade etc an apartment after the tenant has vacated so that it can be made ready to be rented out to someone else. Thus, its what most of us would know as a deposit. What some people dont realize is, is that a good portion of this fee can be returned to the renter if repairs and renovation to the apartment do not require its full use.

Repair/renovations that are typical for apartments may include: general or special cleaning, tatami mat replacement, painting, wallpaper replacement, floor resurfacing, airconditioner cleaning/replacement (if it came with the apartment... not always the case). Trash/renovation refuse special removal(since normal garbage pickup may not accept it and a fee must be paid for its disposal otherwise) etc etc.

What becomes a matter of contention though with this fee is that some schools/companies who guarantor for foreigners or help "arrange" the apartment for foreigners will actually put the rental agreement in their school/companies name, yet require all fees to be paid by the foreigner. When the foreigner vacates the apartment, the remainder of the deposit after repair/renovation thus goes back to the rental agreement holder... ie the school/company instead, much to the chagrin and ignorance of the foreigner.


Tesuryo-

This is the fee paid to the company that handles the advertising or lease management of the apartment for the landlord. Thus its a commission/payment that is passed on to the renter in most cases in Japan.

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All 3 can have fee costs that typically range between 1-3 or more months of "rent" paid up front. This is where and how the costs to get into an apartment because sticker shock for most.

Its also important to understand that sometimes when a company advertises that there is no reikin, shikikin or tesuryo or some limited combination there of, they are in many cases inbedding one within the other so that they still get the same or close to the ammount of money they wanted but make the potential renter feel like they are getting a better deal. This isn't always the case but it is not uncommon.

Another thing to consider as to why some(again not all) large sum costs for rentals is so that it acts as a "renter quality" filter. Take that for what you will.

Im not saying that I think the large sum that many apartment owners require is fair but there are reasons behind it that are not simply to be labeled as a scam or such right off the bat. And again as well, not all places charge such large fees and the trends on fees are changing. But at least this should help some people understand why these things occur.
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