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Great vs. Most challenging aspect of living in japan
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Eric



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Great vs. Most challenging aspect of living in japan Reply with quote

Here is my idea for a new survey to all living in japan. What do you like most and what do you find most challenging about living here.

My favorite part of living here is the amazing nature Japan has to offer. I absolutely love hiking in the Japanese alps in the summer, skiing in the winter, and doing the many trips that are possible with amazing nature always fairly close by and great public transportation.

The most challenging aspect of living in japan for me is to live long term as a foreignor. Some people can but I can't make any kind of retirement or have the many benefits that come from living in my home country. Still I like it here and am here long term. I have now been in japan for about six years.
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markle



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best: general quality of life. (I live in a semi-rural area, with a wife and kid)

Worst: living in a shoebox
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AgentMulderUK



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best : Public transport and general feeling of safety.

Worst: Spoiling of nature. Cables everywhere, vending machines., concrete areas that seem to exist for no reason other than to exist. Yuck.

Problems as yet: None.
Long term problems anticipated: None, except employment opportunities when I am old.

Long term observations: Why some people continue to perceive this country as very different to any other(sic) Western country. Conclusion: They never left their room before they came here. People amazed by a flag on a string or a different kind of fish. Woohoo, we must be on Mars.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: Great vs. Most challenging aspect of living in japan Reply with quote

Eric wrote:
The most challenging aspect of living in japan for me is to live long term as a foreignor. Some people can but I can't make any kind of retirement or have the many benefits that come from living in my home country.
What benefits are they talking about?
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Vince



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Favorite: The pleasant atmosphere. Despite the issues, Japan is quite convenient and accommodating. It wasn't until I left that I realized how at home I was there.

Worst: Lack of a stable and secure career. I didn't like the transitory nature of TEFL in Japan and was itching for something better. I'm building the foundation for that now.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good:Cozy lifestyle, eikaiwa work is generally easy and a bit fun, lots of interesting things to keep me intellectually stimulated

Bad:Eikaiwa is financially and mentally limiting, being far away from family

That's a rather simplistic answer, but I am only on my second cup of coffee.
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Eric



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Glenski,

To clarify, when I was talking about benfits I meant some kind of retirement package. The other benefits from living in my home country is not being a foreignor, but now that I think about it, it's really no more difficult not bing a foreignor here than living in my home country and going back with my Japanese wife might be a challenge.
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anne_o



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AgentMulderUK wrote:
Best : Public transport and general feeling of safety.

Worst: Spoiling of nature. Cables everywhere, vending machines., concrete areas that seem to exist for no reason other than to exist. Yuck.

Problems as yet: None.
Long term problems anticipated: None, except employment opportunities when I am old.

Long term observations: Why some people continue to perceive this country as very different to any other(sic) Western country. Conclusion: They never left their room before they came here. People amazed by a flag on a string or a different kind of fish. Woohoo, we must be on Mars.


Sorry, but like you, i have travelled a lot, most recently spent 3 months in Seoul, and Japan is very different....from other asian countries as well as Westen countries. For me, the little things always amaze me and i hope that never changes....it's part of the reason I enjoy life and can create.
I remember looking at books about Japan as a child, and now that I live here I can see and feel those things. Everyone says that you can't see tradition in Tokyo, but I see it almost everyday in one way or another.

anyway......

Best: food and appreciation of aesthetics

Most Challenging: making friends
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steki47



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anne_o wrote:
Everyone says that you can't see tradition in Tokyo, but I see it almost everyday in one way or another.


This is a key issue for quite a few expats. I've met numerous Westerners who come to Japan and start complaining about how everything is so modern and "Western". Kind of like going to the US and complaining about the lack of cowboys or pilgrims. One of the fun parts about living in Japan (at least for me) is to find the Japanese-ness in their version of modernity.
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JL



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mystique of Japan is, obviously, most powerful to new visitors. I remember fondly, how it all used to be for me, as well. And so I hardly am going to rain on anybody's parade. That said, as I stayed in Japan longer and longer, learned to speak better Japanese, and went about my daily life, I long ago stopped seeing the society and people as "foreign." Of course, I never relinquished my own sensibilities (and even if I did, the Japanese would never let me forget that I'm not one of them). Still, after a while, you find yourself chatting with your kid's teacher about your kid, just like all the rest of the parents. You skim the newspaper inserts to see what's on sale at the grocery store, just as you would in your home country. The techs who come out to install your AC, are just doing their jobs, like techs do back home. There are a million and one differences that leap out at you when you are new to Japan. But when you settle into your daily routines, develop close friends and family, and go about your life, you come to realize that Japan is hardly unfathomable or mysterious.

I just worked a convention last week that had me constantly working with Japanese attendees, all day long, everyday. Must have spoken with close to 200 of them, some, at length. We chitchatted about business in the current climate, home prices in Los Angeles, and all sorts of completely ordinary things.

It is true that a communication barrier can greatly amplify perceived cultural differences. However, for those of you still feeling your way around Japan; with every sight, sound and sensation of something new to take in; relish each moment! Where I happen to be on my journey, doesn't make your new experiences any less valid or wonderous for you.
As the saying goes, it's less about the destination, than your journey getting there.


Oh yeah...as for the poll:
Greatest thing about Japan>>> The country gave me my two children

Worst >>> As I said above, though I feel assimilated, they'll never let me forget I'm a "foreigner," and will invoke that gratuitously, especially when it suits their purposes.
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anne_o



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoy being a foreigner. I sometimes felt like a foreigner in my own country! I'm married to a Japanese man who is not a typical Japanese....he has problems 'fitting' in here as well......
True, life is normal for me here; I go to work, go shopping, deal with all the stuff one has to deal with no matter where you live.....but I will never stop looking and observing.....and appreciating the little details that I love here!
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JL



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anne_o wrote:
I enjoy being a foreigner ...I will never stop looking and observing.....and appreciating the little details that I love here!


Sounds like a pretty healthy attitude to me! Smile
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elkarlo



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anne_o wrote:
I enjoy being a foreigner. I sometimes felt like a foreigner in my own country! I'm married to a Japanese man who is not a typical Japanese....he has problems 'fitting' in here as well......
True, life is normal for me here; I go to work, go shopping, deal with all the stuff one has to deal with no matter where you live.....but I will never stop looking and observing.....and appreciating the little details that I love here!


JL I'm not starting guff here. Just pointing this out.

Anyways, interesting. There are a least 2 that I know of, women who are married to Japanese men. The stereotype is white guy/ asian girl. Good to know the inverse actually occurs in Japan. As the common Sterotype is Japanese girls are easy, which make for the Charisma man syndrome, while western women are left lonely. Kinda silly ain't it.
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anne_o



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah....it's funny....i just had an interview yesterday and the English guy asked me if we were living together??? it's like people always think that if you are married to a japanese man he must be some wealthy businessman, or we are just married for convenience???
i'm also feeling that when i go to interviews they just can't understand why i want to work full time and don't want kids!!
all of the stereotypes about japanese men, which have been perpetuated mostly by Westen men.....sorry!........are so silly. But that's another topic!
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

elkarlo wrote:
anne_o wrote:
I enjoy being a foreigner. I sometimes felt like a foreigner in my own country! I'm married to a Japanese man who is not a typical Japanese....he has problems 'fitting' in here as well......
True, life is normal for me here; I go to work, go shopping, deal with all the stuff one has to deal with no matter where you live.....but I will never stop looking and observing.....and appreciating the little details that I love here!


JL I'm not starting guff here. Just pointing this out.

Anyways, interesting. There are a least 2 that I know of, women who are married to Japanese men. The stereotype is white guy/ asian girl. Good to know the inverse actually occurs in Japan. As the common Sterotype is Japanese girls are easy, which make for the Charisma man syndrome, while western women are left lonely. Kinda silly ain't it.


Its not a common stereotype here Shocked We don't really believe that Japanese girls are easy especially in comparison to many women here (lets face it; 18-30s here are some of the most drunken and loose in Europe). Here we believe that many Japanese women find Western men attractive because they so different to men there. I think its more that Japanese men are often intimidated by the same differences in Western women.

To be honest, for some of the differences such as height, J men are no different to Western men; many men here will admit that they find really tall women intimidating.
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