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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 04 May 2005
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Location: Yinchuan

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:01 am    Post subject: Xining Problems.. I think.. Reply with quote

Hello, I work in the only chain school in Xining. Tonight we had a dinner, hosted by the headmaster, to welcome myself and the other new teacher. Also in attendance was the foreign teacher who has been their six months, the headmaster, one of the front desk girls, and the Headmaster's right hand man who is named, "Seth".

The event started on a note that can only be described as a bit bewildering. "Seth" ushered us into the back room of a largish restaurant near the school and we found the headmaster, the janitor, and few other fellows in a state of drunken oblivion. Given that it was 4.30 in the afternoon it seemed a bit odd, but we refrained from commenting upon it.

The headmaster and one of his friends took us into the adjoining private room. The friend, an employee of the Tax Office, began speaking to me in Chinese. He was apparently told a few times that I didn't speak any Chinese. This didn't stop him from yammering away at me. I entertained him for a few minutes of it, but as time went on it began to get extremely uncomfortable.

This fellow began screaming, banging the table, and was apparently saying a variety of rather unflattering things towards me that the Foreign Liaison, "Seth" wouldn't even translate. He just looked very embarrassed and kept saying he didn't understand what the man was trying to say.

As events draw to a head the friend of the headmaster is getting more belligerent and I'm beginning to feel even more uncomfortable. Actually, at that point I'm getting ready to hit the guy if he touched me. It was apparently pretty obvious that I was getting a bit irritated as even one of the other teachers mentioned that that he was very uncomfortable and wanted to leave.

Events proceeded and the lovely chap spilled beer on me, forced me to do a toast with him, and then tried to force me to drink my entire beer in one shot. I normally would have no problem draining a beer, but I wasn't having any of it with this jerk. By now, from my on recollection, I was visibly balling up my firsts, red in the face, and shaking in anger. This had been going on for nearly 30 to 45 minutes and I was about ready to belt the guy.

He decides that as I won't drink my entire beer in one shot that it would be appropriate to try to force the beer into my hand. He shoves the beer into my hands, I set it back down, and he tries it again and this time starts a back and forth tug of war with the beer.

I let him have the beer, stood up, announced that I was leaving and departed. The foreign teacher liaison followed me out and apologized profusely for the incident along with the office girl. Both of them were appeared to be very embarrassed and the glimpse I caught of the headmaster when I walked out seemed to indicate he wasn't pleased with the turn of events either.

My question is..

Would it be out of the realm of imagination for my school to create a larger issue over the event?
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Sugar Magnolia



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds interesting. I wish I was there. Lighten up and have some fun.

Yunqi
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Hansen



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have had similar experiences but not to that extreme. Usually all is forgotten the next day. Or so it appears. You can't win with some of these fools, no matter what you do. Although I rarely suggest it, in these cases be true to yourself.
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suanlatudousi



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The school can, of course, make anything out of that they wish - as often does in China.

However, I'm on your side of it.

I don't drink anyway, and rarely go to the drunk-fests masquerading as school dinners and when I refuse the alcohol and beer they try to force it upon me. I still refuse and ask for Coca Cola and when they again demand, I simply leave.

You waited too long.
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Dan The Chainsawman



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind drinking at all. I just wasn't in the mood to entertain this drunken retard who had been screaming at me, spilling beer on me, and trying to force me to drink more or less all at the same time.

Turns out as soon as I left he started hammering on the table more and screaming. Apparently he tried forcing the other foreigners at the table to eat and was knocking drinking glasses all over the place. They left five minutes after I did.
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jakescustaard



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ha ha ha! you should have seen him after you left!
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Sugar Magnolia



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember this - most Chinese love to pound drinks and they stop after a few bottles. Us real men keep on going!

"Oh my Lord, you actually drink "6" bottles of beer by yourself in 1 sitting?"

The best bet when faced with a situation as that described above is to try and finish the glass, give them the FACE they so desperately need and then order another bottle for yourself on the boss!
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Lister



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

It's a big loss of face for your hosts - especially as it was supposed to be a welcoming dinner - so they'd probably prefer to forget about the whole thing and pretend it never happened.
I'd do the same. Forget it. Think of it as a nice gesture by your headmaster and the staff that was unfortunately spoiled by an idiot, and it shouldn't reflect on anyone else. Carry on as if it never happened and don't let it influence the way you deal with anyone who was there.
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lister wrote:
I wouldn't worry too much about it.

It's a big loss of face for your hosts - especially as it was supposed to be a welcoming dinner - so they'd probably prefer to forget about the whole thing and pretend it never happened.
I'd do the same. Forget it. Think of it as a nice gesture by your headmaster and the staff that was unfortunately spoiled by an idiot, and it shouldn't reflect on anyone else. Carry on as if it never happened and don't let it influence the way you deal with anyone who was there.


I think you have provided excellent advice.
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suanlatudousi



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lister wrote:
I wouldn't worry too much about it.

It's a big loss of face for your hosts - especially as it was supposed to be a welcoming dinner - so they'd probably prefer to forget about the whole thing and pretend it never happened.
I'd do the same. Forget it. Think of it as a nice gesture by your headmaster and the staff that was unfortunately spoiled by an idiot, and it shouldn't reflect on anyone else. Carry on as if it never happened and don't let it influence the way you deal with anyone who was there.


Go back to work with the "lost face" look in your eyes. Let some key people know how offended and scared you were. Let them know you can't believe this kind of thing happens and you're not sure if you should continue working there.

They'll fall all over their feet to apologize and recover their lost face.

Eat it up later.

In theory at least.
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curvilinear



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait until you see what happens when they bring out the bai jiu, ha ha.
That post brought back some memories...I would have countered him by forcing him to play the finger guessing game, and then just always guess the middle.
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donb2222



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the others that state that you should just pretend that it never happened.
Drunk jerks are everywhere in this world. I do not think it would accomplish anything to complain or point out how offended you were.
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Eyrick3



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My question is..

Would it be out of the realm of imagination for my school to create a larger issue over the event?


As this was a guest of your school, your school no doubt lost a huge amount of face.

You were apologized to, and that's probably the last you'll hear about it. To bring it up again and again would be a further loss of a face.

As for the drunk guy and the 干杯 incident, he had probably, at least subconsciously, recognized he was wrong and was trying to get you to cheers him to save him so face. When you did not "complete the cheers" by drinking all of the beer in one shot, as is Chinese custom, you hinted that you didn't accept his apology, which further hurt his ego.

This, of course, isn't your fault at all. The guy was being an ass to start. However, should a Chinese have been in your shoes, he would have finished the cheers to save the guy some face, and thereby earned a good deal of face himself.
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Totemic



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teatime of Soul wrote:
Lister wrote:
I wouldn't worry too much about it.

It's a big loss of face for your hosts - especially as it was supposed to be a welcoming dinner - so they'd probably prefer to forget about the whole thing and pretend it never happened.
I'd do the same. Forget it. Think of it as a nice gesture by your headmaster and the staff that was unfortunately spoiled by an idiot, and it shouldn't reflect on anyone else. Carry on as if it never happened and don't let it influence the way you deal with anyone who was there.


I think you have provided excellent advice.


Excellent advice.

OP, I say you handled the situation like a seasoned Asia vet. I also think it's interesting that after the dust had settled, your biggest worry was that you might be in for further trouble with your school.

Instead of trouble, I suggest you've got a few 'bonus points' now, that you'll be able to cash in later if need be (guilt for clear wrongdoings is a powerful yet subtle sword in China, IMO).

Thanks for posting. It's an interesting little story that really captures the potential turbulence of Chinese drinking sessions.

Blech... I'll stick to socializing with expats... maybe the odd local bird also Laughing
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Dan The Chainsawman



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jakescustaard wrote:
ha ha ha! you should have seen him after you left!


Heh, yes you mentioned that last night when we got together later for a few cold ones.


As to the rest of the replies I'll definitely not mention it unless something comes up. Call it my, "hole card" of sorts for emotional guilt tripping.

I've had something similar happen to me in Korea, but not to this extent.
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