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China Briefing: criminal background checks to be required
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aleafofthetree



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:37 am    Post subject: China Briefing: criminal background checks to be required Reply with quote

I came across this posting on this site:


CHINA BRIEFING January 2009 issue:

'The Criminal record certificate:

Over the past few months, additional requirements for obtaining an employment permit in China have begun to be put in place. These include a certification of "no criminal record," to be issued by immigration agencies of foreign governments, on which an official statement must be obtained certifying that the applicant has no prior criminal convictions in his home country. Details to the extent of this documentation, applicable levels of criminal offence, or how it applies to long term reisdents of other countries, yet to be worked out.

The application process varies from country to country, please, check with your embassy for advice.'


And wanted to know if anyone could confirm if the information was valid and if so any details about the change. I am specifically interested in going to teach in China this fall and seeing now if it would be a possibility.
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Pelican_Wrath



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh.

I had to do a CRB check in the UK prior to doing my PGCE course (Or, more precisely, prior to going on placement during that course).

It took around 3 months to come through.

Good luck to the Chinese government in getting these issued for every FT.
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Buck Lin



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most embassies can't do this because criminal codes differ. My embassy will not do it because they are lazy.
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Buck Lin



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

China has the most to lose because of the criminals here who manage to get passports to countries that don't extradite people who will face the death penality if returned. A bag of worms will be opened for them.
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evaforsure



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

China Briefings also offer downloads of these guides...one such guide is a tax guide....I believe I linked to it on one of these postings..there has been talk of requiring a filing of all foreigners in China in March, but so far I have not heard anymore about it ..
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xiao51



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

evaforsure wrote:
China Briefings also offer downloads of these guides...one such guide is a tax guide....I believe I linked to it on one of these postings..there has been talk of requiring a filing of all foreigners in China in March, but so far I have not heard anymore about it ..
his

This canard has periodically on Dave's over the years in all sizes, shapes, forms and colors. Rumor and message board mendacity at best.

And the publisher of the China Review was just arrested by the United States Government for violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

It is not by any means any kind of any official spokesperson for the Chinese Government.

And some of the same posters involved furthering this canard further a previous canard regarding the implementation of psychological screening by SAFEA before a FEC could be issued.

Sometimes I am just shocked by the amount of misinformation / disinformation that seeps its way through this site, particularly regarding policies of the central government. Rumor-mongering involving decisions of the central government is an open invitation for trouble here, along with several other well-known issues.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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evaforsure



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.2point6billion.com/

This is his blog....Chris Devonshire

He does publish China Briefing but the only China Review I have seen is this one

Quote:
The China Review is a continuation of the China Review, an annual publication of The Chinese University Press since 1990. The new journal is scheduled to come out twice a year in April and October; like its predecessor, it is a scholarly journal covering various disciplines of study on Greater China and its people, namely, domestic politics and international relations; society, business and economic development; modern history, the arts and cultural studies.


This was the PUBLISHER
Steven K. Luk, Chinese University Press, The Chinese University of Hong Kong


http://www.chineseupress.com/promotion/China%20Review/China_review_J.html

is this the mag your talking about...is Chris the editor of this mag...

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And the publisher of the China Review was just arrested by the United States Government for violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.


This was Chris who just got arrested? Did he get charged for his interview with the Chinese finance minister...If it was under the provision you have noted it should have been a bribery case or his paperwork was not transparent enough but he was interviewing just last week and has just stepped down. I haven�t read of his arrest....although I do know he threaten a blogger with a law suit recently (the blogger has said that Chris also threaten him with closing him down by the Chinese government, but I have no knowledge of this accusation) so he has made enemies of the �Crocs set�
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eddy-cool



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I happen to know that Chris Devonshire-Ellis is an extremely litigeous person; on the other hand rumours have it that he has not secured a law degree for himself contrary to the image he has been promoting about himself.
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mike w



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

China briefing has before been guilty of spreading misinformation - it did so prior to the Olympic Games regarding visa issues.

I remember about 7 years ago, the website was blocked for a period of time by the Chinese government for such as this.

The issue of criminal recored checks is not new. It has been around for years. For as long as I can remember, US teachers wishing to teach in Inner Mongolia have had to provide this check. Periodically over the last few years it has also been brought into use for US teachers in Shanghai and Guangdong.

I know of no US / UK / Canadian / Australian / NZ teachers who have been required to provide such a document for Beijing or Shanghai during the last 7 years, and I have been involved in hiring more than a few.[/u]
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Itsme



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess they can afford to be more picky now that everyone wants to go there.

It sounds like a huge pain in the ass though, especially if you are already in the country.
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mike w



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It sounds like a huge pain in the ass though, especially if you are already in the country.



On those occasions when the requirement has been enforced, it has only been for 'Z' visas applications made outside China and Hong Kong.
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aleafofthetree



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On those occasions when the requirement has been enforced, it has only been for 'Z' visas applications made outside China and Hong Kong.



So is it a requirement in all provinces, beyond just Inner Mongolia, that is simply not enforced, or is it not a requirement at all yet? It's not mentioned on the consulate's website. And could you clarify about it being only for Z visa applications made outside of China? That was one of the main reasons I am waiting to go, is so if it is a possibility I could be sure to sort out the visa before going.

Thank you all for your responses.
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Jayray



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True or not, why would anyone in China or considering going to China be alarmed by such information? Nobody is interested in minor traffic violations.

If one reads the job boards, one must notice the jobs in Urumqi requesting a police report to be sent with an application.

I believe that we will see more requests like these from Immigrations in more and more countries.
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aleafofthetree



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayray wrote:
True or not, why would anyone in China or considering going to China be alarmed by such information? Nobody is interested in minor traffic violations.

If one reads the job boards, one must notice the jobs in Urumqi requesting a police report to be sent with an application.

I believe that we will see more requests like these from Immigrations in more and more countries.



I am interested because I have a something beyond a minor traffic violation on my record that I think might be good cause for turning down my application for a visa if I applied. I want to know whether I should even be considering putting the time, money, and effort into preparing to go if there's a good possibility I won't be able to. I am continuing to ask after it has been clarified that China Briefing is not reliable because it has come up here that some people have been required to get a background check despite it not being a requirement listed on the Consulate's website (specifically, when applying from outside of China). I am aware that they are required in Inner Mongolia, and have heard that they're often asked for to work in Shenzhen and mention that they sometimes are in Guangdong and Shanghai (I'm not clear on whether it's official policy or custom in these last three), but wanted to know if there are any official policies beyond the ones applied in those specific areas, such as for people applying from outside the country or any others I might not know of.
Thanks for pointing out the information from the job board.
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evaforsure



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I happen to know that Chris Devonshire-Ellis is an extremely litigeous person


As of last night, Chris was not incarcerated and he has nothing to do with China Review...and as Eddie has stated....he lives for the litigation.

Quote:
Sometimes I am just shocked by the amount of misinformation /


From your post it seem'd that you were connecting Chris and The China Review with the arrest of someone...
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