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Hatcher
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 Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: HCT Negotiations? |
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| I was offered a contract by HCT and wanted to get some feedback on their flexibility in negotiations. Any feedback on contract talks would be appreciated. I assume that only the salary could be negotiated. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:23 am Post subject: |
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It very much depends on whether you have something special to offer that others may not have. Few of us do... and few are able to negotiate more.
Are they trying to get you to start ASAP or is this for next August/September? If it is for next academic year and you have the usual MA + a few years of university level academic English experience, they may not feel any need to negotiate. Hiring is just getting started for next year.
Give it a try, but don't expect to get too much unless you have something on your CV that is unusual and in high demand.
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mccainjohn96
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| You can negotiate a bump in pay grade. You may be able to get a one-year contract, rather than the standard two. I doubt that anything else in the standard contract could be changed. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| mccainjohn96 wrote: |
| You may be able to get a one-year contract, rather than the standard two. |
Note... the standard HCT contract is 3 years. I doubt that they would take a one year contract unless they were desperate. It is too early in the hiring season for them to be desperate enough to make an expensive choice like that.
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ifychris
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hatcher:
Your request does not give much info on the basis of your intended negotiation. Without much info it is difficult to give useful suggestions. For example:
- what is your offered/contract salary or range?
- are you local or expat hire?
- what level(s) would you teach (regular content or ESL)?
- are you getting relocation allowance? How much?
Some items can be negotiated, some are written on stone.
More info please... |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Actually iffychris... most of the HCT contract is written in stone... and has been forever.  The ability to negotiate at least a salary bump has only appeared in the last few years as they have grown so large and sometimes have difficulty hiring people for the problem branches of the moment.
VS
(I'm referring to EFL teachers here... content teachers are in a slightly different position) |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Actually iffychris... most of the HCT contract is written in stone... and has been forever.
And it should be...it's a decent employer.
The ability to negotiate at least a salary bump has only appeared in the last few years as they have grown so large and sometimes have difficulty hiring people for the problem branches of the moment.
VS
(I'm referring to EFL teachers here... content teachers are in a slightly different position) |
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ifychris
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Gawlee....NCTBA must be the "Colonel Klink" amongst us!
Any more positives....Company Man?
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johnslat
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Dear ifychris,
OMG - NCTBA actually called an employer "decent." Yup, he must be a Company Man - I mean, we all know that NO employer could ever be considered "decent." And, even if there ever were such a one, it should never be mentioned on these forums. Here we only make indecent posts.
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ifychris
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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You're so right, John! Either NCTBA is our forum's "Colonel Klink" of Star Lite 13 or he's been in the ME sun TOOOOOOO LONG!! Quite obvious, I'd say....
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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...err... JohnSlat was tweaking you, iffychris... not NCTBA...
He is agreeing with NCTBA and his post is very tongue in cheek. I also agree. The better employers do not give a different contract to every person who is hired. There is a standard and it should depend on your degree and experience... not your ability or lack of ability to negotiate. I taught at 4 different universities/colleges in 3 countries in the Gulf... none of them allowed any negotiation and we all had the same contract with salary only differing by years of experience teaching (since everyone had an MA).
As I recall, you are looking for your first job in the Middle East, aren't you? Or have I confused you with someone else?
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ifychris
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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VS:
Sure, John's post was designed to be 'tongue-in-cheek!
Jes getting-along m'asa.... no ME 'spring chicken' lol....
Still Hatcher's post on HCT negotiating needs more info for more useful response, don't you think VS?
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veiledsentiments
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Not at all. I think the answers he got are pretty much spot on as refers to HCT... which is who he was asking about. The reality is that negotiating with HCT is not the norm... and all someone may get is a small bump in salary. But again... that depends on your CV. (and their needs) If you are an MA with a few years of experience... outside the Middle East... don't expect to get anything more than their standard offer for those credentials.
For the vast majority of university EFL contracts in the Gulf, negotiation is rather rare. They make you the offer... you take it or leave it.
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ifychris
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry VS, but I don't see anywhere Hatcher indicated his/her qualifications, experience, EFL etc.
Hatcher has not responded to my post/inquiry regarding info on his/her salary offered, qualification, experience.
In view of this, How could you say the responses were 'spot on'?
Do we always assume all who post here have same (MA+ experience, etc) qualification? Let's hear from Hatcher!
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:10 am Post subject: Re: HCT Negotiations? |
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| Hatcher wrote: |
| I was offered a contract by HCT and wanted to get some feedback on their flexibility in negotiations. Any feedback on contract talks would be appreciated. I assume that only the salary could be negotiated. |
Let's go back to his (assuming male for the moment) original post since you seem to misunderstand this whole thread. He wanted to know if anything other than the salary can be negotiated. He got the answer. Most probably not and likely not even the salary - unless he has something exceptional to offer. (ie... more than an MA and a few years of experience) He knows if he does or doesn't and he can try to sell it and see what happens. HCT doesn't lowball offers to see if they can get away with it.
What he was offered and what his credentials are really don't matter to this discussion. He was not asking if his offer was fair or matched his credentials, so he need not tell us anything about them.
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