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[diana83709]

I would just like to know what is required for teaching in Saudi Arabia.
My husband has BA and J.D. (law). My degree is in progress, but I am TEFL certified.
We both taught in China for two years. Hubby is currently teaching (in the capacity of Special Lecturer/Adjunct professor) Criminal Justice classes at a U.S. university. There is a possibility that his position may be cut for fall semester and we are seeking ALL options.
Your responses are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[freesoul]

Dear Diana,

A "Juris Doctor" holder could get a very lucrative university position at government universities. Hubby needs to contact the big universities in Saudi Arabia such as www.kau.edu.sa
www.ksu.edu.sa
www.imamu.edu.sa

Now the good news is that you could be lucky and work at the same uni. You could work as an instructor at a prep-programme and Hubby as a professor at the same uni.
The bad news is that almost 90 % of university professors- especially in law major- are being Saudised.

Anyhow, there is no harm in trying.

Good luck hunting.

Best,

Free Soul

[Stephen Jones]

JD is an undergraduate degree, not a doctorate.

[007]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juris_Doctor#Etymology_and_abbreviations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ijazah

[veiledsentiments]

[johnslat]

Wow - it gets pretty complicated:

"The J.D. is a professional doctorate degree, and some J.D. holders in the United States use the title of "Doctor" in professional and academic situations. In countries where holders of the first law degree traditionally use the title of doctor (e.g. Peru, Brazil, Macau, Portugal, Argentina, and Italy), J.D. holders who are attorneys will often use the title of doctor as well.The J.D. in Japan is known as Hōmu Hakushi (法務博士) and in China it is called 法律博士 (Faat Leot Bok Si in Cantonese, or Fal� Boshi in Mandarin). The characters 博士 in Japanese and Chinese mean "doctor" and this is the same title given to holders of both professional and academic doctorate degrees.
Although persons licensed as attorneys in the United States often use a variety of titles and suffixes, the titles "Attorney," "attorney-at-law," "Esquire" ("Esq.") and "lawyer" must be distinguished from "J.D.". Generally, the designation "J.D." indicates a person who has received the degree from a law school, whereas "Attorney" and the like indicate the person is licensed to practice law. Some states restrict the use of the "J.D." suffix to those licensed to practice law. Arizona, for instance, forbids the use of "J.D." as a title if it is "reasonably likely to induce others to believe the person or entity is authorized to engage in the practice of law in Arizona". (In all states, a person who is not admitted to practice law but who represents or implies that he or she is an attorney may be subject to penalties for the unauthorized practice of law or impersonating a lawyer, both of which are criminal offenses in many jurisdictions.)
There has been much debate in the United States as to whether J.D. recipients may use the title of Doctor and refer to themselves as "Doctor". (See debate section) ABA Informal Opinion 1152 (1970) and Disciplinary Rule 2-102(E) permit those who hold a Juris Doctor (J.D.) to use the title doctor. Some local bar associations in the U.S. have also released their own opinion papers stating that J.D. holders may use the title of "doctor" in those jurisdictions. The J.D. is not considered by some to be a terminal degree, which causes questions about the status of the J.D. as a doctorate and the ability of J.D. holders to use the "doctor" title. (See debate section below). However, the degree is the highest level professional degree in law in the United States, and is treated as a terminal or doctorate in U.S. academic practice. For example, the highest degree of some university presidents--a position that typically requires a Ph.D. or comparable (i.e. terminal) degree--is a J.D. (e.g. University of California president Mark Yudof, former Harvard president Derek Bok, and the presidents of Columbia and Johns Hopkins universities).
Debate about academic status

Professional doctorates (such as the M.D. and D.D.S. degrees) are generally unique to the U.S. educational system, and it is difficult to describe the academic status of the J.D. degree vis-�-vis other academic or research degrees, particularly those in other educational systems. Therefore, there has been considerable debate about the academic status of the Juris Doctor degree, such as that seen on the "Law Blog" of the Wall Street Journal in 2007.
The existence of the Scientiae Juridicae Doctor (S.J.D.), a research doctorate in law that requires a J.D. as a prerequisite, has been taken as an indication that the J.D. is not a terminal degree. For example, it is claimed that since a doctorate is often defined as the highest degree in a university, and the J.D. is not a terminal degree,[ the J.D. is therefore not a doctorate. Some of the reasons cited for stating that the J.D. is not a terminal degree are that the LL.M. and S.J.D. both require the J.D. for admission, and that the J.D. is a first professional degree in law, like the LL.B.[ It has also been stated that since the S.J.D. is the doctorate equivalent of the Ph.D., and the J.D. is not, the J.D. is not a doctorate. On the other hand, the S.J.D. and J.D. are different kinds of degrees: the S.J.D. is a research doctorate and the J.D. is a professional degree (similar to an M.D. degree for medical doctors).
Comparing law degrees from different jurisdictions is problematic, and attempts to do so lead to conflicting results. Because the J.D. and the LL.B. are both first professional degrees some have held that they are therefore equivalent, but not all LL.B.'s are the same and the curriculum of the J.D. in the U.S. and the LL.B. outside the U.S. can differ substantially. It is observed that an LL.B. awarded by a U.S. institution and a J.D. are both adequate preparation to sit for a bar exam in the U.S. However, the LL.B. as awarded in the U.S. was identical in content and purpose to the J.D. (see description above). It has also been pointed out that the London School of Economics (which awards a LL.B. degree to undergraduates) offers a joint degree program with both Columbia University, and the University of Southern California.[133] However, this is the only such program, for LSE students entrance into the program is extremely competitive, and only a small percentage of students are deemed academically prepared to participate in the J.D. program. Therefore, because of the differences between degrees such as the LL.B. and the J.D., and the systems in which they exist, comparing the two is problematic.
Attempts to compare the J.D. to the Ph.D. are also problematic. The pay rate for J.D. holders in the U.S. government is sometimes below that of holders of a Ph.D. Also, the J.D. program is typically only three years long and does not require a dissertation, while the Ph.D. requires an original research dissertation and typically takes four to six years to complete. The Ph.D. and S.J.D. are comparable degrees. However, the J.D. and Ph.D. cannot be properly compared in this way as the J.D. is a professional doctorate, while the Ph.D. is a research doctorate."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juris_Doctor#Descriptions_of_the_J.D._outside_the_U.S
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