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canucmeee



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Question regarding TEFL schools Reply with quote

I applied to two different TEFL schools in Prague. I accepted one of them and informed the other that I was not going to be joining them after receiving an email soliciting questions. In response the school representative asking why I had decided to go with another school and I responded honestly that I went with the other because I felt I was getting more for my money and the security of a "guaranteed" job if I chose to take it.

Instead of just saying thanks, sorry you won't be joining us I received an interesting email in response. Long story short, her tone was rather annoying/aggravating in her attempt for a final sale on her school (EVEN though it is already too late as I have already given my deposit to the other school).

One of her claims was that a "guaranteed job" is not actually guaranteed at all and that they would stoop to lowering my performance scores in order to not honor their guarantee. I don't know but it just made me really angry that she would do this. Are all TEFL schools so catty with one another and distrustful? Yes there is competition to get students into your programs but geeze. Also, how would she know if they lowered performance scores? And how is this regulated anyhow? All I can fathom to say in response is just 'thank you but I have already placed my deposit and will be attending the other school'.

If she is correct about this lowering scores business how would I know? How would I correct the situation if it occurs?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been involved in the past with a couple of teacher training schools in Prague, and still have friends who run one of them. However, I've personally got no financial or other interest in any of the centres (and haven't for years now).
I've also got friends who own/run language centres in the city.

What I've been told this year is that, thanks to the global economic dip, many of the training centres have seen the numbers of candidate trainees drop, sometimes to an alarming degree.

This may well have increased the pressure on some of the training centre owners/staff to become more aggressive in pursuing potential new trainees.

If you've decided to go with Caledonian, who guarantee successful trainees jobs in their own set of schools, well - they've been around a long time and have a decent reputation. They are seeing some drops in business from both the training centre and teaching side at the moment - there's an article in last week's online Prague Post (www.praguepost.com) on this. But I expect they will still have something to offer.

There is work in the city, though the summer is always a gap July- August. I wouldn't worry about guaranteed jobs and whether a training centre is going to lower your performance score to avoid employing you, unless you prove to have really no talent or energy for the job - people can legitimately fail these courses, but there should be clear reasons for this other than a job guarantee!

At worst, assuming you pass the course, you will need to line up interviews and spend a bit of time and energy to find a job on your own - this is definitely do-able. Further, the schools that offer in-house jobs also often pay at the lower end of the scale, so there may even be some benefits to you in looking around on your own a bit before settling on a contract.

Just remember that you've got only 90 days after arriving in the Schengen zone to file for legal working papers! Be sure to time your course and job search so that this will work.
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ITTP



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
I've been involved in the past with a couple of teacher training schools in Prague, and still have friends who run one of them. However, I've personally got no financial or other interest in any of the centres (and haven't for years now).
I've also got friends who own/run language centres in the city.

What I've been told this year is that, thanks to the global economic dip, many of the training centres have seen the numbers of candidate trainees drop, sometimes to an alarming degree.

This may well have increased the pressure on some of the training centre owners/staff to become more aggressive in pursuing potential new trainees.

If you've decided to go with Caledonian, who guarantee successful trainees jobs in their own set of schools, well - they've been around a long time and have a decent reputation. They are seeing some drops in business from both the training centre and teaching side at the moment - there's an article in last week's online Prague Post (www.praguepost.com) on this. But I expect they will still have something to offer.

There is work in the city, though the summer is always a gap July- August. I wouldn't worry about guaranteed jobs and whether a training centre is going to lower your performance score to avoid employing you, unless you prove to have really no talent or energy for the job - people can legitimately fail these courses, but there should be clear reasons for this other than a job guarantee!

At worst, assuming you pass the course, you will need to line up interviews and spend a bit of time and energy to find a job on your own - this is definitely do-able. Further, the schools that offer in-house jobs also often pay at the lower end of the scale, so there may even be some benefits to you in looking around on your own a bit before settling on a contract.

Just remember that you've got only 90 days after arriving in the Schengen zone to file for legal working papers! Be sure to time your course and job search so that this will work.


The TEFL market has always been competitive.

It also isn't unheard of for a school to post a positive review of their course in the guise of a 'graduate' of that program. Forums tend to be frequented by TEFL schools, or people connected with the TEFL industry (I just don't believe for example that somebody who spends enormous amounts of their personal time on various TEFL forums has no vested interest in the business), and of course newbies who have a genuine reason for spending time on the TEFL internet pages.

Concerning the situation in Prague, TECHNICALLY everyone should apply from their home country for their work papers and before they get a job. BUT it has been and is still acceptable to file your work visa papers in Dresden for example (a relatively short train ride from Prague) and to begin teaching while your visa/work permit is being processed. It can take anywhere from 2-4 months for your papers to be in order and the authorities understand this (in Prague anyway). However, if you leave it to the 3rd month to file your papers then understandably there is the potential for complications in the process.

The vast majority of newbies in Prague take their TEFL, or arrive with their TEFL, and begin a search for teaching work and make it happen. A small minority leave everything to the last minute, casually send out their CV and then wonder why the ball isn't rolling faster for them.

If you actively search for work and actively arrange your work papers then you will make it work.

The Prague Post likes a good story for its stats and I also remember similar articles in the past, producing a wave of panic, when the CZ joined the EU and when the Schengen came into force last year.

The point is that there is work in Prague all year round but that Sept/Oct/Jan are the main hiring seasons when there is the majority of work available and if you actively search for work and get your papers in order (which your language school should help you with), then you will (like the many hundreds of non-EU teachers currently working in the Czech Republic) have no difficulties whatsoever.

I think it is very important to highlight the potential issues which can arise but often the voice of a few isn't representative of the whole experience.

Where are all the teachers btw who are actually in Prague and who are teaching and who have been through the visa process?

Hezky den!/Lovely day!

Neville Smile

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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(I just don't believe for example that somebody who spends enormous amounts of their personal time on various TEFL forums has no vested interest in the business),

Neville, there are lots of regular posters on Dave's who have no vested interest in the business. We simply find it interesting.
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ITTP



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
(I just don't believe for example that somebody who spends enormous amounts of their personal time on various TEFL forums has no vested interest in the business),

Neville, there are lots of regular posters on Dave's who have no vested interest in the business. We simply find it interesting.


Thanks for the quick response Smile
I wasn't actually directing my statement specifically at you Spiral but yes, I agree that TEFL is an interesting subject. While you brought it up, I just am amazed at just how interesting you find it Spiral. A post here and a post there sometimes at seemingly unearthly hours of the night and in some cases both on this forum and other forums. I am impressed.

Keep up the good work!

Neville Smile

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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still baffled why you would notice or care when or how often I post.

Whatever.

In any case, I'm obviously entitled to spend as much time, at whatever hours I wish, on Dave's and any other forum I wish to.

I simply don't understand why you comment so frequently on my internet habits. Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Thank you both!
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