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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: Apostille clarity Reply with quote
What a great forum! I have learned so much from reading these threads but I have come to a wall.

Please help, I need some clarity. I have contacted a certification program in Mexico who tells me I do not need to get my degree or state teaching certification apostilled if I get TEFL certification in Mexico. Is this true, or is the rep. full of it?

I don't mind going to my Secretary of State and getting apostilles for my documents. But if they are not needed or the documents are never asked for, why should I spend my time and money?
Should I take the boy scout approach and "be prepared"?
Ahhh, I need help, please and thank you.

For your information, I am in the states and want to teach at private/public schools or universities/colleges in Mexico.
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Dragonlady



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dragonlady,

Thank you so much.
Better to be safe and prepared for anything.
And the cost is not going to break my bank; I think it is $20-25US per document at the Sec of State and will only take an hour or less if I go to their office.

Thanks again.
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you are a certified teacher, you won't need to spend the money on a course in Mexico. Your degree and certificate are all you will need, and yes, definitely have them apostilled for Immigration's purposes.
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Samantha wrote:
If you are a certified teacher, you won't need to spend the money on a course in Mexico. Your degree and certificate are all you will need, and yes, definitely have them apostilled for Immigration's purposes.




I apologize for my suspicion but are you sure about this?

I was under the impression that I would need to get CELTA or TESOL certified to teach in Mexico regardless of any state certification.
I do have a certification to teach English but most of the jobs in Mexico I see online are requesting CELTA/TESOL/TEFL certification.

I have no leads or connections in Mexico but I would be happy to find work in:
Oaxaca
Queretaro
Guadalajara
Torreon
Mexico City
Leon
Any coastal city sans an insane cost of living.
(Or any place any of you have taught or know of that will hire a US teacher w/o CELTA/TESOL certification but who has an English teaching certificate in the US)

I have found the AASSA website but they don�t list Unis in Mexico and I found a thread on here to a ton of diferent links to ESL jobs but still nothing solid about teaching at unis/colleges/high schools in Mexico.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dragonlady wrote:
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...If you are a certified teacher (outside of Mexico) you won't need to spend the money on a (TESOL) course in Mexico. Your degree and certificate are all you will need...


This is another 'may' 'might' 'maybe'. IMHO this depends entirely on the degree and/or teaching certificate an applicant holds. It may be such that your teaching certificate prepared you to teach English to native English speakers, but not to non-native English speakers. There is a world of difference, and a TESOL program prepares you for the latter.

As a (past) employer, I would give serious consideration to an applicant who has (reputable) TESOL training over one who has not, regardless of the number of degrees and certificates the other has.

I believe some Mexican employers are bedazzled by any piece of paper which states 'English' anything - and more so if it states 'English teacher', not fully understanding the complexities of teaching a new language. So what Samantha is saying is somewhat true.

However, ask yourself if you feel confident and qualified to teach English to someone who's first language is not English, then decide if you think there is merit to having TESOL training.

Just my thoughts,
Dragonlady


Dragonlady,
I agree completely with your perception of the situation.
Honestly, I don�t mind paying to have the certification. True, my cert is in teaching English to native speakers and I have no ESL experience.
I would feel more comfortable having CELTA/TESOL cert. along with my US teaching certification and degree. I think I would not only be more prepared to teach to non-native speakers but also more marketable in the market.
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dragonlady wrote:
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As a (past) employer, I would give serious consideration to an applicant who has (reputable) TESOL training


Keyword: reputable I've heard about so many, mostly online, courses that don't even end up providing that piece of paper you mentioned. Getting it apostilled once you finally (if you ever do) receive it, is next to impossible because the provider of the course is registered in some far flung corner of the world. In this case, you many as well have thrown your money into the wind.

My thoughts are, if you (OP) are bent on taking an addtional course, go for a real one that will be recognised worldwide, not just in one country (Mexico). If you are already a real teacher with good solid teaching experience, your present credentials are enough to satisfy immigration for a work permit. And no school I know of will pass over a good teacher with experience and a teaching certificate, sitting in front of them in an interview, just because they don't have any extra TESOL training. No matter what their ad states. Knowing what I know after several years living here, if I were in your shoes and based on what you have posted, I would save the money just now, and give it a whirl first.
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Samantha wrote:
Dragonlady wrote:
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As a (past) employer, I would give serious consideration to an applicant who has (reputable) TESOL training


Keyword: reputable I've heard about so many, mostly online, courses that don't even end up providing that piece of paper you mentioned. Getting it apostilled once you finally (if you ever do) receive it, is next to impossible because the provider of the course is registered in some far flung corner of the world. In this case, you many as well have thrown your money into the wind.

My thoughts are, if you (OP) are bent on taking an addtional course, go for a real one that will be recognised worldwide, not just in one country (Mexico). If you are already a real teacher with good solid teaching experience, your present credentials are enough to satisfy immigration for a work permit. And no school I know of will pass over a good teacher with experience and a teaching certificate, sitting in front of them in an interview, just because they don't have any extra TESOL training. No matter what their ad states. Knowing what I know after several years living here, if I were in your shoes and based on what you have posted, I would save the money just now, and give it a whirl first.


Samantha,
Thanks for your input.

If I opt for additional certification I will go to Mexico and get CELTA or SIT TESOL certified, promise.(No backalley certs for me)

Do you have any uni/college job leads? Or anyone else reading this...

Or should I just search for several cities with lots of unis/colleges in them, take a trip down in June(when the school year ends here), travel around Mexico and stay a week in each city and bang on doors with my apostilled degree and English teaching cert. in hand?


Thanks again for helping me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Please help, I need some clarity. I have contacted a certification program in Mexico who tells me I do not need to get my degree or state teaching certification apostilled if I get TEFL certification in Mexico. Is this true, or is the rep. full of it?


IF you get the TEFL certification IN Mexico, then you do not need to have it apostilled. Any documents, such as a teacher certification or a TEFL certificate, that originate outside of Mexico do need to be apostilled.
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
jillford64 wrote:
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Please help, I need some clarity. I have contacted a certification program in Mexico who tells me I do not need to get my degree or state teaching certification apostilled if I get TEFL certification in Mexico. Is this true, or is the rep. full of it?


IF you get the TEFL certification IN Mexico, then you do not need to have it apostilled. Any documents, such as a teacher certification or a TEFL certificate, that originate outside of Mexico do need to be apostilled.


Thank you for your advice, I am getting my doc's apostilled before I go.
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