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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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Location: Suzhou, China
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 Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:58 am Post subject: Summer Camps 2009 |
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| Although my school pays me a salary for the summer months, I'm actually LEAVING China for several months starting in September (don't cry Eva, I may be back) so I'm looking to pad my income a bit. Any info/word on 3-4 week summer camps out there? I'm scanning the job boards, but don't see much as of yet. Is mid-April too early? Outside of that abysmal one advertising out of Hangzhou, do other schools and companies wait until the last moment before starting recruitment? |
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suanlatudousi
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Of interest ...
If you're being paid a salary - what is the status (dates) of your legal employment (contract, FEC, Resident Permit) ?
Where I am, I've been told that the actual dates and schedule of the school's summer camp won't be known until at least 10 days before it's expected to begin. |
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sui jin
Joined: 08 Feb 2008
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Location: near the yangtze
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Also I need to do some work in July. Have you thought of running a summer school yourself? I wonder if anyone has any such experience. I was thinking of doing a two or three week course here, but beyond hiring a classroom and recruiting students, I am not sure what is involved.
In terms of legality, maybe it is marginal, but in July I will not be working for my employer, nor under contract, yet still have weeks to run on my Residence Permit. |
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suanlatudousi
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| The Resident Permit expiration take precedence over the contract date (often not equal) |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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best summer camp I hear of in china paid 13k for three weeks
someone offered me the job in a taxi, but our dates didn't match up (and it was time for a holiday anyway). It was run by a university, so maybe check with your all you uni contacts,
just put the word out..
I heard of some LiYang summer camps too, but I think it was a pretty average wage in exchange for a lot of work.
I think there are lots of different summer camps, some well-paid, run by various types of schools in Korea, too
if you're feeling adventurous.. |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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Location: Suzhou, China
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I'd love to go to Korea or Taiwan for a camp, but I think the actual cost of airfare might negate most of the pay I'd be receiving. If anyone has any insights to the contrary, I'd love to read about them. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| If you fly from China, it shouldn't be too expensive. |
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Songbird
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Location: State of Chaos, Panic & Disorder...
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Kev, I want to do the same thing. I actually worked at a camp in Taiwan last summer, but still haven't seen anything advertised this year.
Hoping to maybe find one lasting a couple of weeks, 2-3 at most, on the mainland this time, but get the feeling it could be slim pickings this year. And yes, I'm not too trusting of the mob in Hangzhou that always advertises either. |
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xiao51
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:54 am Post subject: ... |
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| Songbird wrote: |
Kev, I want to do the same thing. I actually worked at a camp in Taiwan last summer, but still haven't seen anything advertised this year.
Hoping to maybe find one lasting a couple of weeks, 2-3 at most, on the mainland this time, but get the feeling it could be slim pickings this year. And yes, I'm not too trusting of the mob in Hangzhou that always advertises either. |
Actually, the slim pickings thing that you write about are not true. Recruiting for the summer camps is just being handled a little differently this year. I am personally aware of one large organization in Jiangsu that will hire at least 50 teachers already in China, and another organization in Guangdong that will hire at least that many. These are long-standing contacts that I have maintained over the course of the past five years.
Of course there is always English First, as this is their high season and they already have had adverts out looking. Helen and Company in Hangzhou are also looking but that's like walking into the mouth of the tiger.
One thing always amazes me on this board -- people come here and say "give me your best contacts so that I can get a job". It just astounds me. As any old China hand will know, nurturing one's contacts for one's self so that there is alway a Plan A, Plan B, and Plan C. Most old China would probably demur on sharing such information, acquired by years being here, hard work and the like.
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kev7161
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I am personally aware of one large organization in Jiangsu that will hire at least 50 teachers already in China, and another organization in Guangdong that will hire at least that many. |
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| As any old China hand will know, nurturing one's contacts for one's self so that there is alway a Plan A, Plan B, and Plan C. Most old China would probably demur on sharing such information, acquired by years being here, hard work and the like. |
So what I'm reading here is that one poster knows of allegedly 100+ summer jobs potentially available but won't share the contact information in fear that he won't land one of these jobs? I smell a bit of exaggeration. |
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xiao51
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| kev7161 wrote: |
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| I am personally aware of one large organization in Jiangsu that will hire at least 50 teachers already in China, and another organization in Guangdong that will hire at least that many. |
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| As any old China hand will know, nurturing one's contacts for one's self so that there is alway a Plan A, Plan B, and Plan C. Most old China would probably demur on sharing such information, acquired by years being here, hard work and the like. |
So what I'm reading here is that one poster knows of allegedly 100+ summer jobs potentially available but won't share the contact information in fear that he won't land one of these jobs? I smell a bit of exaggeration. |
Let me restate what I wrote, perhaps to make it clearer for you.
1. I am not interested in a summer job.
2. I was responding to the question of the claim of "slim pickings".
3. They are only perhaps "allegedly" in your consideration but quite real otherwise, at least to all of those teachers that will take them and will have decent summer camp jobs. So remain with your disbelief, please, and allow those who have them to be happy in their good fortune.
4. As for the "smelling a bit of exagegration", it's amazing what imprudent words in an email or message board can do...and how they can reverberate...but that is just my personal opinion, in a general kind of way, nothing more, nothing less. |
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kev7161
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Location: Suzhou, China
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| Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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I did a Google search for summer camps and came upon this website:
http://www.networkesl.com/english/web/50_86.html
I clicked on their Summer Camp tab (noticed their intro referred to 2007) and tried to fill out their online application form. For some reason, it wouldn't accept my photo (although it meets their criteria) and I couldn't get past it. If someone can make heads or tails about this site, let me know. |
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kev7161
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Location: Suzhou, China
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Hello helpful forum members. I responded to an ad looking for summer camp employees in Korea (after all) and the offered pay (negotiable so they say) is 3,000,000 won or about $2250.00. They'll work me to death should I go there, but it's only 4 weeks (9-5 M-Sa) and I can handle that. I've been pricing plane fares and see some for around $600.00 so still a pretty good profit as I was hoping to clear around $1000 if I stayed and worked in China.
Here's my question. I guess I might be better served on the Korea forum but several of you have taught in Korea in the past so I'll start here first:
They want a criminal background check from my own country (USA). Anyone have a clue on how I go about that while here in China? Lord knows I'm not going to go BACK to the US first, get the check, and then on to Korea. Would this be a thing I can request at the US embassy? Any helpful feedback would be appreciated, thanks. |
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xiao51
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
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| kev7161 wrote: |
Hello helpful forum members. I responded to an ad looking for summer camp employees in Korea (after all) and the offered pay (negotiable so they say) is 3,000,000 won or about $2250.00. They'll work me to death should I go there, but it's only 4 weeks (9-5 M-Sa) and I can handle that. I've been pricing plane fares and see some for around $600.00 so still a pretty good profit as I was hoping to clear around $1000 if I stayed and worked in China.
Here's my question. I guess I might be better served on the Korea forum but several of you have taught in Korea in the past so I'll start here first:
They want a criminal background check from my own country (USA). Anyone have a clue on how I go about that while here in China? Lord knows I'm not going to go BACK to the US first, get the check, and then on to Korea. Would this be a thing I can request at the US embassy? Any helpful feedback would be appreciated, thanks. |
Dear Kevin,
There are various avenues open to you here but first let's rule out the impossible ones.
A criminal background check is not done ipso facto and it is not to be confused with th employment background check, etc., etc., that many other posters feel is the same thing. It is done either by the FBI or the local police and it requires time, money and your presence and signature.
Now here are your proven work-arounds.
1. Prepare a sworn affidavit on Chinese legal size paper. I can help you with the wording. Just drop around. Once you have the affidavit attesting to your non-criminality, so-to-speak, do NOT sign it. You will need to take it to the United States Consulate General in Shanghai. There you will need to see the duly-commissioned Officer of Oaths, etc. You will swear to the affidavit in his presence. They will affix a beautiful stamp, a seal, and another paper, attesting only to the fact that you have sworn to the statement, etc. This will work as it has worked for many others in Korea. It needs to be sworn, commissioned, and notarized at the Consulate. If you have any qualms, you can repeat the process at the Korean Consulate
General.
2. Or, considering that you have been domiciled in China for a period of time, and that for all intents and purposes you can claim China as a place of residence, you can actually apply for a background check from the Entry and Exit Bureau of the PSB, but there is only one particular office in Suzhou that does it. You decidedly will need someone that speaks Chinese along with you. They will take your passport, finger print you, and ask you to come back in two-or-three days to pick up the document of non-criminality, etc., etc. It is a very, very official document. You can then submit this along with the assertion that you have Chinese residence, which under the fine point of the law, you do. Again, you may wish to have this document sworn to and attested to at the Consulate.
3. When you do your paperwork for Korea, you should indicate China, Jiangsu, Suzhou, as your current place of residence.
All the best,
Xiao |
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Hansen
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Location: central China
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:17 am Post subject: |
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http://ag.ca.gov/fingerprints/security.php
OP,
The Department of Justice is a source for criminal background checks.
The above link offers information which you should review. For someone out of the country, it looks problematic. If the consulate had a livescan fingerprinting service, that would help. It seems like xiao51's idea is the most doable from China. If what he says is true, obviously the process is a farce. Why would a sworn declaration from a sociopath mean anything?
I found what follows interesting:
"My employer is asking for a copy of my criminal history record? May I give it to them?
No. California Penal Code section 11142 prohibits you from giving a copy of your criminal record to an unauthorized third party. In addition, California Penal Code section 11125 prohibits an individual or agency from requiring you to provide him/her or the agency with a copy of your criminal record or proof that a record does or does not exist. Violation of either of these sections is a misdemeanor offense."
The FBI offers a downloadable fingerprint form:
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/fprequest.htm |
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