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ced0802



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:24 am    Post subject: teaching english as a second language Reply with quote

Hi everybody ,

I'm french and i'm really fond of english and i would like to teach it abroad as a second language.However i don t know how to manage to do this..I heard about CELTA , or certTESOL ,but it s not really clear for me ..And my english level is medium..Is there some school to prepare to those exam?

What can i do?Is there some french who have done this before?Who teach english abroad?

I really need your help
I m looking forward reading your answers

Thank you
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there some reason you are avoiding teaching French?

I think you'll find it difficult to land an English-teaching job if you don't know much about it and if you aren't very good at the language. Your post, if you'll pardon some inspection, shows some basic English flaws.

I have worked with 2 French teachers in a high school: one was Japanese and also taught English, the other was a Frenchman who taught French. The latter found jobs hard to come by (no surprise).

I also ran into a student of a Frenchman who was making a stab at teaching her English. Horrible lessons! For example, first lesson was to give her homework consisting of a dozen pages of English for her to translate into Japanese (including a page of 50 adjectives). She drooled over my lessons (I showed her as she was waiting for the teacher to show up), and wanted to switch, but he was charging about 1000 yen/hour, and that was her deciding factor. Her loss.
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SueH



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Horrible lessons! For example, first lesson was to give her homework consisting of a dozen pages of English for her to translate into Japanese (including a page of 50 adjectives). .


Er.. is that a lesson?Smile Anyway, see my comment for your same post on the UK board. It would be possible, but like Glenski I reckon not just yet.
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ced0802



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much glensky , but you don t answer my question actually..I know my english is still not perfect , and ask if is there some school preparing to this qualification or i have just to spend some times in a foreign country and waiting to be fluent..
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ced0802



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ced0802 wrote:
Thank you very much glensky , but you don t answer my question actually..I know my english is still not perfect , and ask if is there some school preparing to this qualification or i have just to spend some times in a foreign country and waiting to be fluent..

and i want to learn english ,not french , beacause i really love this language and i would like to travel as well

Thank you , see you
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

English teacher training courses don't accept students until they can demonstrate a strong level of fluency in English.

You need to start by studying English, not how to teach it.
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ced0802



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if i really want to to do this job , you suggest me to go to a foreign country for few years , and then pass those exams..

But can i do a carrer?is there jobs or it s really difficult?

Thank you again
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have a lot of competition from native English speakers. I don't want to squash any dreams, but imagine that you are a student of English. You have to pay for lessons. Who will you want to teach you? A native French speaker with 'ok' English - or a native speaker?

That said, if you REALLY want to do this, there are definitely jobs, AFTER you are qualified in terms of your own knowledge of and skill in the language.

I work with colleagues who are native French, Dutch, Spanish, Romanian, and Russian speakers. BUT they have near-perfect English, and other credentials on top of that.

Yes, you can do it - but it's a long road and a lot of work. A bit more than if you were a native speaker. I am a native speaker, but it took
1) BA in education
2) basic certification in teaching ESL/EFL
3) 12 years of experience teaching English
4)MA TESL/TEFL

before I finally landed a really great job.
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ced0802



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So imagine if i m going to spend 2 years in australia , i think i ll be able to pass those exam..?and then to find a job..?

Thank you so much , i really need help ..it s like a dream
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santi84



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a TESL course with a Korean businessman once. He took the class because it allowed him to have a lot of interaction with native speakers (it was a TESL for children class so there was a lot of games and group activities). Although, his main goal was to improve his spoken English, not TESL (I believe he had a PhD in Engineering).
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ced0802 wrote:
Thank you very much glensky
Please do me the courtesy of spelling my name right. Your students (if you ever get them) will also appreciate it.

Quote:
but you don t answer my question actually
You didn't ask just one. I answered most of them.

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know my english is still not perfect , and ask if is there some school preparing to this qualification or i have just to spend some times in a foreign country and waiting to be fluent..
To my knowledge there is no prep school for CELTA. CELTA is a program, not a test.

SueH wrote:

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject:
Glenski wrote:
Horrible lessons! For example, first lesson was to give her homework consisting of a dozen pages of English for her to translate into Japanese (including a page of 50 adjectives). .
SueH responded:
Er.. is that a lesson?Smile
My sentiments exactly, Sue.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Hi everybody ,

I'm french and i'm really fond of english and i would like to teach it abroad as a second language.However i don t know how to manage to do this..I heard about CELTA , or certTESOL ,but it s not really clear for me ..And my english level is medium..Is there some school to prepare to those exam?

What can i do?Is there some french who have done this before?Who teach english abroad?

I really need your help
I m looking forward reading your answers

Thank you


You would probably be limited to the EU since most countries will not give a visa to a French person to teach English.

You might be able to to get a job in China.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have worked with 2 French teachers in a high school: one was Japanese and also taught English, the other was a Frenchman who taught French. The latter found jobs hard to come by (no surprise).


Glenski, the question is about visas. The two people that you mentioned also taught French. Would the French government offer someone with a French passport a visa to teach English in Japan?
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ced0802



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that s nice of you , but i m still a little lost..if you know a french person who does what i want to do , it would be nice if i could contact him

Thanks a lot
see you
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most French people I know who teach English are married. Thus they do not need a visa to work in the country in which they live. Unless you are planning on marrying a foreigner I am not sure that they could help you.
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