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1 foreign teacher per 10 MX teachers?

 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:13 pm    Post subject: 1 foreign teacher per 10 MX teachers? Reply with quote

I live in Oaxaca City. I just heard from two different sources that there's some law or regulation that might require schools to have just one foreign teacher every 8 or 10 Mexican teachers. Is this true? Just for Oaxaca? Or for all of Mexico?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an immigration law (Federal) and doesn't apply just to teachers. 1 in 10. I know a restaurant owner who recently got hauled in for a head count of the foreigners to Mexican ratio. The foreigners were all singer/entertainers, but no matter....they had to legally be only 10% of the entire staff. That was a mad scramble! Schools are the same. That's why when you read of a school boasting of ALL foreign teachers, you know something is not quite right in Paradise.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The law does say that only 10% of a companies employees can be foreign. Like many laws in Mexico when and how it is applied depends on where the company is, and who the owner knows.

There are some schools that hire foreign teachers through 3rd party "companies or assocations". Wall Street Institute comes to mind, as they hire foreign teachers through something called "Master Teachers" although for all intents and purposes you work for WSI, that way they can screw people on pay and benies and get around the law.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samantha wrote:
That's why when you read of a school boasting of ALL foreign teachers, you know something is not quite right in Paradise.

Is that the same law that states you must prove there is no Mexican that can do the job before you hire a foreigner? I'm not sure how much it applies to language schools but I do know schools that won't hire Mexican teachers on the basis Sam mentions. Seems unfair.

I remember one school owner (a gringo) wanted me to find him a teacher. I recommended him a fantastic one. Lived around the corner, had a car, decades of experience, Cambridge Proficiency (an exam most native speakers would fail) etc. Would he hire her? Nooooo. She was Mexican.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does the law apply when the teachers are paid by honorarios or facturas - in which case they are not "employed" by the company, but effectively freelance?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the case I mentioned, none of the foreign musicians were on the actual payroll of the restaurant (that would be rare). The rule was still applied, and they made this very clear to the restaurant owner when they asked for the list of everyone working there.

Likely the only reason they acted was because of a complaint from a neighboring restaurant, and they accomplished two things. Like foreign teachers, foreign musicians don't always bother to get legal, especially if they are seasonal, and the complaint maker was pretty sure this would be the case. It was.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was paid paid by the hour where I worked too, so I guess, technically not on the payroll because they weren't taking out taxes and all that. I still counted against the 1 in 10 and they sponsored me for a work permit.
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe it's 10 Mexican staff not teachers - so that means cleaners, receptionists, etc., etc., at a school. So the proportion of teachers can be more than 1 in 10 that way. Also, some school owners own other businesses and combine them as one company - if the other business has all Mexican staff, that means there can be lots more foreign teachers at the school. I could be wrong, but that's what was explained to me once.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vaca_loca wrote:
I believe it's 10 Mexican staff not teachers - so that means cleaners, receptionists, etc., etc., at a school. So the proportion of teachers can be more than 1 in 10 that way. Also, some school owners own other businesses and combine them as one company - if the other business has all Mexican staff, that means there can be lots more foreign teachers at the school. I could be wrong, but that's what was explained to me once.


Yes, that makes sense.
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