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ms_casillas



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:53 pm    Post subject: They want to change the contract after i signed>? Please Reply with quote

I signed a contract through a recruiter and was on my way
to China

Then he said, ok school wants to change the contract concerning sick
days

I aleady had hesitations about this school.

I said forget it !! But he already sent the signed contract to the school Sad

What happeneed? Will I get in trouble if I now sign with another school
in China?

Thanks
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Totemic



Joined: 05 Feb 2009
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Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: They want to change the contract after i signed>? Ple Reply with quote

ms_casillas wrote:
I said forget it !! But he already sent the signed contract to the school Sad

What happeneed? Will I get in trouble if I now sign with another school
in China?


Thanks


No, you should be ok.

Don't let any dodgy types access to your your passport, though.
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suanlatudousi



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHY, pray tell, WHY did you actually sign anything, let a lone a contract when you "aleady had hesitations" about the job ?
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Hansen



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Location: central China

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is difficult, but don't take the contract too seriously. The Chinese don't. Why should you? They mainly consider it a tool to manipulate you. They will not consider themselves bound by any unpleasantries that they may become liable for, under the terms of the contract.

Since they have aready invalidated it by changing it after it was signed, it's meaningless anyway.
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd agree to their change after signing of the contract. Of course, I'd expect them to agree to my demand of doubled salary and a personal chef too. Fair is fair.
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brsmith15



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, what school is this? Inquiring minds want to know.
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xiao51



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:17 am    Post subject: See Below Reply with quote

Dear Mrs. Casillas,

Do not under any circumstances allow them to start playing with a contract if indeed it has been signed. That is a very, very bad precursor of what might follow. There are just too, too, too many jobs here in China for qualified ESL teachers -- just too, too, too many -- that you need not sit for this kind of behavior at all.

There are several good agents out there, still, and there are many portals available, and there is also direct contract. With all of that taken together, you should be able to seek and to find exactly what you want or close to it.

Never, ever sit for an abusive boss in China, an unpleasant situation, a depressing atmosphere -- the job market remains truly hot, as I said, and when one door closes here, or when one door is closed, at least 10-15 will open, degree or no degree, training or no training, newbie or no newbie.

If I can be of any specific assistance, please don't hesitate to PM me.

Xiao Lin
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eddy-cool



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:38 am    Post subject: Re: They want to change the contract after i signed>? Ple Reply with quote

ms_casillas wrote:
I signed a contract through a recruiter and was on my way
to China

Then he said, ok school wants to change the contract concerning sick
days

Thanks


yOU DIDN'T WRITE WHETHER THE recruiter OR someone else IS sponsoring YOU IN china; IN OTHER WORDS: dID THEY SEND YOU AN INVITATION LETTER TO BE PRESENTED TO THE cHINESE cONSULATE FOR THE OBTENTION OF A WORK VISA?

iF YOU ARE COMING TO cHINA ON ANY VISA OTHER THAN A WORK VISA THEN i CAN'T SEE HOW THEY CAN GO AFTER YOU ONCE YOU HAVE ARRIVED.
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eddy-cool



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: See Below Reply with quote

xiao51 wrote:
Dear Mrs. Casillas,
-- the job market remains truly hot, as I said, and when one door closes here, or when one door is closed, at least 10-15 will open, degree or no degree, training or no training, newbie or no newbie.



I think the above is a highly misleading piece of 'advice' you should take with a big lump of salt! The Chinese 'labour market' is 'hot'? Is that so? Some of us have observed a dramatic cooling-off recently, with salaries being frozen or sometimes rolled back.

Don't be smug or complacent as a laowai in search of a job: You are not the only one and the employers know it full well. Changing employers is no longer a piece of cake as it used to be, what with the requirement for you to get release letters and testimonials now an official one.

The easier it is to switch jobs the easier it is to fall into the hands of unscrupulous handlers. .
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xiao51



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:59 am    Post subject: Re: See Below Reply with quote

eddy-cool wrote:
xiao51 wrote:
Dear Mrs. Casillas,
-- the job market remains truly hot, as I said, and when one door closes here, or when one door is closed, at least 10-15 will open, degree or no degree, training or no training, newbie or no newbie.



I think the above is a highly misleading piece of 'advice' you should take with a big lump of salt! The Chinese 'labour market' is 'hot'? Is that so? Some of us have observed a dramatic cooling-off recently, with salaries being frozen or sometimes rolled back.

Don't be smug or complacent as a laowai in search of a job: You are not the only one and the employers know it full well. Changing employers is no longer a piece of cake as it used to be, what with the requirement for you to get release letters and testimonials now an official one.

The easier it is to switch jobs the easier it is to fall into the hands of unscrupulous handlers. .


Perhaps you have noticed a cooling in the market in relation to your own schools, or background, references. From the vantage point where I am, I still see numerous teachers negotiating and receiving the conditions that they require.

And no Eddy-Cool, it remains a not difficult undertaking in China to for a qualified teacher to seek and to find gainful employment.

In terms of salaries being rolled back as you write, nearly everyone that I know in the largest metropolis in China who has renegotiated his or her contract has received an increase, often considerable.

So sorry, Eddy-Cool, it's a bit like the misleading information you provided Landa on bringing pets to China....I just don't agree with you.

Your experiences and my experiences do not create a global picture..
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No cooling off where I am. Plenty of work available and good conditions, generally speaking. Work in the education field seems to be one of the more secure areas to be employed in.
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't work legally in China then of course, you'll have no legal protections. But some employees are fine with that. Not my cup of tea, but to each his own.

Lots of applicants these days. Perhaps due to the economy elsewhere. Friend said he's interviewing a lot of recent and fairly recent college grads who are working at the bottom end of the service industry, and China looks pretty good to them. No idea if that will actually effect the job market here or not.

Best of luck, let us know when you arrive.
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Hansen



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Mr. Cool. Although I'm not in a very strong bargaining position, I have noticed an even deeper disdain being manifested toward me than was manifested before. Perhaps because, in the beginning, I felt I had nothing to lose, I made demands backed by real threats to leave. My "demands" were met. At that time, the school was interested in having me stay. Now, with a new FAO with UK connections, I'm not so sure.

Even if it would be difficult to find a replacement, many employers don't know that. I can hardly imagine, after several years, anyone wanting to live in this place. In my own case, my hobby justifies it.

Something else to consider for those who have been around a few years, moving is not a pleasant experience.

As for the OP, her situation is not good. Changing the contract after it has been signed and she is on her way, that is simply a devious and underhanded move by her employers. It doesn't bode well for the future. But what can she do?
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eddy-cool



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: See Below Reply with quote

xiao51 wrote:
[So sorry, Eddy-Cool, it's a bit like the misleading information you provided Landa on bringing pets to China....I just don't agree with you.

Your experiences and my experiences do not create a global picture..


I would like you to accept some advice: Don't feel so sure that your opinion is always right; I can easily accept that yours is different (apparently you are making studious efforts at having opinions at variance with mine) but neither I nor you has to be 'wrong' because the other disagrees. I distinctly recall not having misinformed anyone RE pets in China. What I said was my opinion based on facts, and easily observable ones at that.

The OP hasn't told you, HFG, nor me, how she is coming to CHina, right? An 'F' visa? A tourist visa? A work visa?
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xiao51



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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 6:51 am    Post subject: Re: See Below Reply with quote

eddy-cool wrote:
xiao51 wrote:
[So sorry, Eddy-Cool, it's a bit like the misleading information you provided Landa on bringing pets to China....I just don't agree with you.

Your experiences and my experiences do not create a global picture..


I would like you to accept some advice: Don't feel so sure that your opinion is always right; I can easily accept that yours is different (apparently you are making studious efforts at having opinions at variance with mine) but neither I nor you has to be 'wrong' because the other disagrees. I distinctly recall not having misinformed anyone RE pets in China. What I said was my opinion based on facts, and easily observable ones at that.

The OP hasn't told you, HFG, nor me, how she is coming to CHina, right? An 'F' visa? A tourist visa? A work visa?


Very disingenuous at best. No further comment needed.
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