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Chances as non native speaker with TEFL, but no degree ?

 
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adw



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:45 pm    Post subject: Chances as non native speaker with TEFL, but no degree ? Reply with quote
What are my chances if I just show up in Indonesia, looking for an English teaching job, being a non native speaker with TEFL certificate but without a degree ? If I would be able to find a job, what pay can I expect ? Shocked
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Vertumnus



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You'd be restricted to some of the language courses, the poorer schools, and the schools that are of suspect quality. You'd probably be stuck with a relatively poor salary, but it may be enough to get by on. Getting a job with nothing but a TEFL cert. isn't going to be easy, however, especially without experience. I've seen it happen, though.

I would say that you might not even make Rp. 5,000,000/month, but it will depend on the area. It could be much lower....

There's also the problem that, as a non-native speaker, they cannot legally employ you as an English teacher. They'd have to give you a different job title that didn't have the word "English" in it.

-D
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adw



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Vertumnus wrote:


I would say that you might not even make Rp. 5,000,000/month, but it will depend on the area. It could be much lower....


-D



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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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job title that didn't have the word "English" in it


like, 'consultant', for example. How imaginative !

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adw



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
basiltherat wrote:
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job title that didn't have the word "English" in it


like, 'consultant', for example. How imaginative !

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basil Very Happy


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There's also the problem that, as a non-native speaker, they cannot legally employ you as an English teacher. They'd have to give you a different job title that didn't have the word "English" in it.

If finding a legal loophole is as easy as this, where are employers afraid of : our wacky accents ? Wink
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Vertumnus



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
adw wrote:

If finding a legal loophole is as easy as this, where are employers afraid of : our wacky accents ? Wink


I know you're being tongue-in-cheek, but there are several factors involved. I'll try to mention some, in no particular order...

    Fear that their school's reputation will be damaged - image is important in many places
    Concern that the person hired will not have a firm grasp of English, especially if their English is too poor to catch such a weakness
    Fear of the loophole catchers
    Concern that the students will pick up that "wacky" accent - some parents think a local accent is better than, say, a Philippino one
    Unwillingness to find or use the loopholes
    Lack of understanding that a non-native English speaker might actually be able to teach English better than a native speaker and, conversely, assuming that native speakers are always better at English than non-natives
    The level of English being taught may require a level of understanding that is deeper than that (presumably) of most non-native speakers


I'm sure there're other reasons...

-D
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