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Looking to teach english abroad. (ASIA?) (Language Corp's?)

 
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Scmed27



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 11:28 pm    Post subject: Looking to teach english abroad. (ASIA?) (Language Corp's?) Reply with quote

Hello,

I am about to graduate in a couple weeks, Bachelors in Business Administration -- Concentrations in Finance and International Business.

Will then be traveling to Europe for 2 months, back to U.S. for a month then South America for 1 months... So after that I was thinking maybe I could get a job teaching English in another country... I absolutely loved Vietnam and was thinking that in-particular as securing a job there would be easier and I think I would love it, but I only visited shortly.

I have been looking into the Language Corp's, there are fee's involved but they do secure you a job and help with visa's and all that which seems like a pretty good deal, but they do not pay for your ticket. It is expensive, but if it makes my experience teaching that much better I do not mind that. I do not know a ton about other programs either so I wanted to get people's take on what they think. I speak english only really, and am not a teacher or graduating with teaching experience, except I taught snowboarding in high school.

I was particularly interested in asia because I think there is a lot of business opportunities there, and as well as teaching I would like to get involved with some entrepreneurial actives if possible.

Just thought I would see if anyone had anything to say,

Thanks for your time!
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saigon cowboy



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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might try RMIT University in district 7 HCMC.

They need qualified teachers and you sound like you have what they need.

It's a modern school in a nice area without the congestion of the inner city.
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ummm...... you taught snowboarding ? That they don't need here.... Laughing
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asia0708



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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:28 am    Post subject: choosing tefl provider Reply with quote

1. DONT do your tefl in your own country - do it abroad in the country you might want to work in. You will meet other people who will stay on in the country, will probably be in a shared house for the TEFL, and that months study will help you assess if you are in the right place to committ to a further 6/12month job.

2. DONT do a tefl + job deal. just the tefl then find your own job - on your terms!

3. DO choose a TEFL course that is a CELTA. It makes a big difference to get the better jobs. Anything else but a CELTA or trinity TESOL is not worth doing NO MATTER what extras/perks are thrown in.

As far as your business interests go 1) make sure they are not tourist orientanted because there is going to be a few years of slow down - and you will lose money, and 2) try to meet a trustworthy foreign business partner - peferably not your bf/gf. Ive met loads of foreigners who lost money even in the good times. Keep your money in your own (developed) country- thats the best advice i ever got of someone!
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Scmed27



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: choosing tefl provider Reply with quote

asia0708 wrote:
1. DONT do your tefl in your own country - do it abroad in the country you might want to work in. You will meet other people who will stay on in the country, will probably be in a shared house for the TEFL, and that months study will help you assess if you are in the right place to committ to a further 6/12month job.

2. DONT do a tefl + job deal. just the tefl then find your own job - on your terms!

3. DO choose a TEFL course that is a CELTA. It makes a big difference to get the better jobs. Anything else but a CELTA or trinity TESOL is not worth doing NO MATTER what extras/perks are thrown in.

As far as your business interests go 1) make sure they are not tourist orientanted because there is going to be a few years of slow down - and you will lose money, and 2) try to meet a trustworthy foreign business partner - peferably not your bf/gf. Ive met loads of foreigners who lost money even in the good times. Keep your money in your own (developed) country- thats the best advice i ever got of someone!


Thank you for the advice, much appreciated.
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Scmed27



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

saigon cowboy wrote:
You might try RMIT University in district 7 HCMC.

They need qualified teachers and you sound like you have what they need.

It's a modern school in a nice area without the congestion of the inner city.


Will look into that as well, thank you!
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TimkinMS



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking to teach english abroad. (ASIA?) (Language Corp' Reply with quote

Scmed27 wrote:
I am about to graduate in a couple weeks, Bachelors in Business Administration -- Concentrations in Finance and International Business.


Did you go to UW?

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I have been looking into the Language Corp's, there are fee's involved but they do secure you a job and help with visa's and all that which seems like a pretty good deal, but they do not pay for your ticket. It is expensive


If it's OK to ask you, what is the fee? What school does your TEFL certificate?

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I was particularly interested in asia because I think there is a lot of business opportunities there, and as well as teaching I would like to get involved with some entrepreneurial actives if possible.


Are you talking about doing joint venture? Capital? -I am not an investor.


Best of luck. Please feel free to ask more questions.
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Scmed27



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timkin MS,

I am graduating from Gonzaga here this Saturday.

Here is a list of the prices and what they include:

All of these programs (except Volunteer) feature our 140+ hour, four-week TESOL Certification course, local language and cultural training, practice teaching that benefits the local community, use of a cell phone, and job placement assistance. Phase one of the TESOL training is conducted in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, and includes a wonderful three-day excursion to Angkor Wat, one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. Vietnam participants then travel to Ho Chi Minh City (transportation included) to complete their training and begin job placement. The program fee for the TESOL Certification Program is US$1,695.

Our TESOL Plus Program includes everything mentioned above, plus accommodations during the four weeks of training, and other support services such as airport pick-up, daily transportation to school, a tour of Phnom Penh and travel insurance. This program is available at a program fee of US$2,295.

The Flagship Program includes all of the features of the TESOL Plus Program, plus a higher level of support services designed to help you have a secure and enjoyable overseas experience. This includes pre-departure and visa support, personalized support from our local staff throughout your stay overseas, several exciting excursions, cell phone during your stay, comprehensive medical insurance, and guaranteed job placement. The program fee for the Flagship Program is US$3,995.

I was thinking the Flagship Program might be the best because it's a guaranteed job, and visa support, as well as medical insurance. It is a bit expensive, but the guarantee's sound nice? I am really nice to this whole process so I am liking the guaranteed stuff? But maybe this is not something I need for that price... haha - this is why i wrote here, i have a lot to learn!

I am not sure what school does my TEFL certificate, did what I copied into the forum above answer that question?

As far as what type of business activity, I really have no idea yet... I was just thinking of the possibility sometime down the road, I would probably want to figure that out after living there a while and maybe talking to some local investors in Vietnam, that is just something I figured I would mention since that would a cool longer-term plan while keeping my current money invested in U.S. based assets.

Thanks for taking the time to read / write... I appreciate learning about this. I wish I had more time to sit down and research all this stuff before Europe, but accounting and finance finals are holding me down a bit rite now haha.
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Scmed27



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: choosing tefl provider Reply with quote

asia0708 wrote:
1. DONT do your tefl in your own country - do it abroad in the country you might want to work in. You will meet other people who will stay on in the country, will probably be in a shared house for the TEFL, and that months study will help you assess if you are in the right place to committ to a further 6/12month job.


I am from U.S. wanting to teach in Vietnam, so in a different country. Although I am open to other area's too... And I am in for a longer-term commitment, that sounds wonderful to me.

asia0708 wrote:
2. DONT do a tefl + job deal. just the tefl then find your own job - on your terms!

3. DO choose a TEFL course that is a CELTA. It makes a big difference to get the better jobs. Anything else but a CELTA or trinity TESOL is not worth doing NO MATTER what extras/perks are thrown in.


Could you please explain what a TEFL, CELTA and Trinity TESOL are? I am confused with the different terms. I called this particular program (Language Corps) and asked them if they had CELTA but she said they offer TESOL. The thing I did like about that was they found you a job? I do not think you have to take it but the job security is nice?

asia0708 wrote:
As far as your business interests go 1) make sure they are not tourist orientanted because there is going to be a few years of slow down - and you will lose money, and 2) try to meet a trustworthy foreign business partner - peferably not your bf/gf. Ive met loads of foreigners who lost money even in the good times. Keep your money in your own (developed) country- thats the best advice i ever got of someone!


I was thinking of waiting a while before I invest anything, I will keep my money tied up in U.S. based assets until I really found something I wanted to do. I have no idea what I would be doing as of now I am just always open for idea's and would be very interested in something like that. A trustworthy foreign business partner would be excellent for me.

Again, thank you very much for the response I appreciate it!
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TimkinMS



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scmed27 wrote:
I am not sure what school does my TEFL certificate, did what I copied into the forum above answer that question?


I am starting to wonder.

I remember a "Language Corps" program in VN about 4 years ago. Sounded very similar.

Is the TEFL cert from "Language Corps" or somewhere else?

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As far as what type of business activity.....


Congrats on finishing at Gonzaga.

On a side note, the American economy right now there is very slow and hiring will be slow for some time I think. I think Business Administration majors and Accounting majors (which usually land better than grads from other fields) will have a very difficult time securing employment in the US in the next 2-3 years.

Best of luck in Asia.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe it is taught by language corps, I keep sending them emails every time a new question comes up they must hate me haha.

I was reading this: http://www.tefllogue.com/resources/introducing-language-corps.html

Kind of had one person who liked it and another who did not...

Another friend of mine was saying to look into: CIEE

I will do that after finals are done here.

Every time I do talk to language corps though they are super nice.

Thanks for the congratz, I am excited. I really have no desire to work in U.S. anyways, or for a big company... I like doing my own thing, ill figure something out sometime, I made a bunch of money in high school and college so for now I am just trying to travel and maybe find some cool business venture along the way.[/code]
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asia0708



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: terminology Reply with quote

dont worry what all the different terms mean - there are definitions on the web somewhere - do a google serch for it if you relly want....

but the most important thing is, i repeat...

I would extremily strongly advise you to do a CELTA or a TRINITY CertTESOL. And out of the two i would say do the CELTA, because nearly all employers know it and ask for it.

I know through experience that you should do it. I DID NOT do the right course and have been denied work in British Council and an International Language School. Also i could think it would be difficult to use what i have (just a plain old TESOL certificate) in Europe, ie. developed countries.
I dont know about language corps but the company i did mine with was not very professional. ON the CELTA i believe you are graded and everybody says it is a tough few weeks. Whereas on the TESOL course i did, everybody passes - even if you cant string a sentence together - and it was the easiest course i ever did. No sweat.
See the difference?
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asia0708



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: trinity tesol Reply with quote

ps.
the trinity tesol only has limited places of study. thats why it is easier to do the CELTA....
http://www.trinitycollege.co.uk/locator/course_flash.php
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