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MikeySaid



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: best netbook for the esl classroom? Reply with quote

A big computer seems like a waste to bring to the esl classroom especially when a projector is available.

Can you recommend a mini or netbook that meets all YOUR needs as a teacher?
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acer Aspire One.

Cheap, full featured, durable, reliable, and cute.

(Used mine in the classroom and for teacher training for almost a year.)

Best,
Justin
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am researching netbooks for classroom use too.

Justin has offered a good suggestion but I would also look into the ASUS Eee PC 1000.

One of my friends uses the ASUS and loves it; she is finishing her Masters in Computer Science and swears by ASUS. (ASUS has been making motherboards and other hardware for many years)

And if you can wait a few months, Google is releasing the "Google Android", otherwise know as the Alpha 680 (made by Guangzhou Skytone Transmission Technologies) to be sold for about $250US, running on a modified Linux cellphone platform. Shocked

I was going to get an ASUS or Acer but heard about the Alpha 680 and think I might hold out.


PS: What are you needs for the netbook?
Powerpoint presentations? Videos? Music? Word processing?
Web surfing? Online classroom exercises?
I would take into account how you will use the system and then see which system suits your needs the best.
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikeysaid,

Check these two deals out:

ASUS Eee PC 904 for $319US @ newegg.com

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220442
(includes 98 reviews)

and...

Acer Aspire One for $329 @ tigerdirect.com

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4411667&CatId=3987
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EvilTwin2000



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I notice the question here isn't "laptop or netbook?," but "which netbook?" So my question is, would this netbook be used in conjunction with a laptop at home or instead of one?

With bona fide laptops starting at $80 US higher than the netbook models mentioned above, I thought I'd ask. Especially as I'll doubtless have to purchase one or the other in the next few months--though probably not both.

Anyone getting by with *just* a netbook?
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Anyone getting by with *just* a netbook?


Sort of. My main computer is the Acer Aspire One. It's a slick little machine, and fully featured. (I've got a 1.6ghz processor, 120g hard drive, XP running model. THough I want to get Fedora running on it. Keyboard is near enough to full sized that I can type close to 200 words per minute on it.)

It suits me- I've used it, and travelled with it, in Ecuador, Korea, and the US. I like it because it's light and small enough to really travel with- fits in the oversized inside pocket of some of my jackets, or the "utility pocket" of my backpack. Really nice as a TESOL trainer, as I can use it to take observation notes all over the classroom and it moves easy. Also provides some security benefits- in Ecuador, a laptop case is an invitation to theft, but this thing is small enough it flies beneath the radar. And it's cheap enough that if it did get stolen, I'd get a new one the next day.

It's as powerful as a lot of laptops, and the only thing I've found a little inconvenient is the lack of optical drive. Takes a few extra minutes now and then, because if I want to load something from CD or DVD, I have to copy it to a flash memory with another machine, then load. In Korea, where fast wireless is available practically everywhere, I didn't miss the optical drive at all.

BUt...

I'm in my office now. At the "main job," in Ecuador, I have a desktop computer with a 19 inch monitor. I would NOT want to do all the computing that goes with my administrative job on the 8.9 inch Acer screen. If, as a lot of teachers do, you use the laptop as the home entertainment center, you wouldn't want to watch movies on this. (My partner has a 16 inch Toshiba.)

The AAO is my main machine, and in Korea was my only machine, but it was short term. If I had no other computer, I probably would have bought a fuller sized laptop.


Best,
Justin


PS- I still would have bought Acer in any case. I'm not brand loyal about very many things, but this is my second Acer. You get the most features for the least money, imo, and they are indestructible. My last Acer got sat on in a TESOL course, with no ill effects.
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:
Quote:
Anyone getting by with *just* a netbook?


Sort of. My main computer is the Acer Aspire One. It's a slick little machine, and fully featured. (I've got a 1.6ghz processor, 120g hard drive, XP running model. THough I want to get Fedora running on it.
.


Justin,

With a 120GB HD you should be able to allocate 20-40GB to Fedora and run a dual boot system.

here is a walk-thru:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/guides/dual_boot_fedora_xp/


Or you can use Ubuntu and their easy install disk here:
http://www.ubuntu.com/

Or you can also try the Ubuntu portable that runs off a flash drive if don't want to dual boot your system:
http://portableubuntu.demonccc.cloudius.com.ar/
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THanks! Are you a linux user? I've been playing with this for a while- never found dual boot to be super stable, though...thoughts?


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Justin
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I use the new release, Ubuntul 9.
I just burned the CD and Ubuntu automatically sets the partition.
Easy to install and I have never had an run issues.
Actually, my HD runs smoother on Ubuntu.
I always get "drive surges" running XP but my system is very quiet on the Linux OS.
I will most likely run the dual boot and keep XP becuase of my music recording equipment. I have a mini digital recording studio hooked up to my desktop and it is not Linux supported. And my Netflix account is not Ubuntu supported either.

If you do a dual boot I would suggest you get Xmarks so you can easily move passwords and bookmarks from your XP browsers to Mozilla on Ubuntu, that was a dealmaker for me(I hate moving bookmarks and reloading passwords)
Also, I love Ubuntu's pidgoen messenger, I can combine all my IM services into one messenger.
Check it out, you can burn a disk and just boot as a windows app for a test run.
Let me know if you have anymore questions, Ill be glad to help.
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MikeySaid



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you do go for the linux thing ubuntu now has a netbook remix on their site designed specifically for use on little computers.

my plan is to pick up a slick 'n quick little netbook (been looking hard at the MSI Wind U100) in the very near future and get one for me and one for my wife. these would be for light work, travel, etc.

Then after we are making a little more money (hopefully) we'll pick up a nice big fat desktop/htpc for the home that we can use for all the big stuff.

in the meantime we've got a 17" dell xps that overheats and no longer has any battery that sits here at the house is is definitely not worth what I paid for it.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm considering getting one too, though the wife is vetoing a purchase right now because of budget constraints (we just bought a laptop for home use in addition to the desktop we already own).

My idea is probably to use a netbook at the universities I work at as;

1 university doesn't give us any computer to work on at all
1 university I'm in the CALL lab all day, so I probably don't need it at this one
1 university provides computers, but they're annoying as they need to be set up each time, and you can add bookmarks, but only for that class. Once you reboot, goodbye bookmarks. The computers we have access to in the staff room are worse, you can't bookmark on them at all.

My idea, except for the first one where we aren't allowed to tap into their lan system, is to bring the netbook and use the uni's lan system. I'd like to also use it to show some things on the net if possible, but it could also be just showing things that I have on the netbook. I suppose too, I could use it for working on video worksheets, etc. when I had time.

I'm just concerned about the size of the keyboard, and the screen size. I've got big hands and big fingers, so I'm not keen on using a small keyboard. As to the screen size, let's face it, the smaller it is, the more squinting you might end up doing.

How big is that Acer netbook's screen and keyboard? I bought their laptop, and it's servicable.

One final note, I'm yet to be convinced that I need a netbook for traveling. Internet cafes seem to do well enough for me at the moment (actually, I often go on vacation to get away from using a computer).
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeySaid wrote:
if you do go for the linux thing ubuntu now has a netbook remix on their site designed specifically for use on little computers.

my plan is to pick up a slick 'n quick little netbook (been looking hard at the MSI Wind U100) in the very near future and get one for me and one for my wife. these would be for light work, travel, etc.

Then after we are making a little more money (hopefully) we'll pick up a nice big fat desktop/htpc for the home that we can use for all the big stuff.

in the meantime we've got a 17" dell xps that overheats and no longer has any battery that sits here at the house is is definitely not worth what I paid for it.


Mikeysaid,

I am suspect on some key things with the MSI wind.

1st: the small 3-cell battery, the Acer comes with a 6-cell for around the same price point. (Check the difference in price between a 3 and 6 cell battery)

2nd: The drive is not solid state. Boooo Hissss ( a deal breaker for me)

3rd: No WWAN Shocked
No Wireless Wide Area Network...what that poo poo?

IMHO, for the money the Acer One and ASUS Eee PC are spec'd much better than the Wind.
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin, I hate Acer laptops! Ours died after less than two years, and the local computer shop said it would have to be sent back to Rome for repairs which could take up to ten weeks. Useless computer, useless customer service. I'll never buy another Acer again.
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ithos



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look at the Samsung nc10, to my mind the best of the netbooks hands down.
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MikeySaid



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikeysaid,

I am suspect on some key things with the MSI wind.

1st: the small 3-cell battery, the Acer comes with a 6-cell for around the same price point. (Check the difference in price between a 3 and 6 cell battery)

2nd: The drive is not solid state. Boooo Hissss ( a deal breaker for me)

3rd: No WWAN :shock:
No Wireless Wide Area Network...what that poo poo?

IMHO, for the money the Acer One and ASUS Eee PC are spec'd much better than the Wind.[/quote]

So you push for a six cell with ssd? My plan was to buy with a hdd because of capacity but you say the speed and battery life make up for the lack of size?

How do you use yours as a teacher?
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