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paytons
Joined: 20 Mar 2009 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 1:15 am Post subject: A few (hopefully not redundant) questions...about DF |
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I'm seriously considering a move to DF within the next few months. I am hesitant though, about the possibilities for employment within the city. I have a degree, and lots of work experience, but none teaching. If anyone would kindly answer the following, it would be a huge help.
TIA
Is TEFL/TESOL a must to teach in DF?
How much Spanish *must* I know to be successful (as far as teaching English goes-I do plan to learn in time and would be staying with a native)?
Realistically, how long will it take me to find work (if the above two aren't huge issues)?
Finally, any important advice for a Canadian (I love the city, but am a little concerned about the culture shock--currently travel bi-weekly there).
Thanks again! |
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geaaronson
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 948 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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No, a TEFL is not so much of a necessity. I have one, but I have had only a few inquiries about it from prospective employers. I was a bit surprised about the lack of interest on that subject because in other parts of mexico, its importance is much higher.
The reason for that is that traditionally there has been a huge demand for ESL teachers here in DF. The employers are hiring people that might not necessarily be hired in other parts of the country.
Having said that, let me remind you that the entire field has tightened considerably in the past year. I had three gringo colleagues leave Mexico in the past year to return to the USA. I had one colleague who was an independent teacher who occasionally hired other teachers relinquish his business to go work for another company as an academic coordinator, and now a fifth colleague is strongly considering giving up teaching entirely and going to work in telephone sales full-time.
I have been here 3 1/2 years and I did not see any departures from Mexico in the first 2 1/2 years of living here, so that should give you an idea of what is happening here.
As if that is not convincing enough, I have another friend who has been here for 9 years who has traditionally taught business Corporate English 18-22 hours a week who is now having difficulty filling 15 hours of week. That is likewise my own state of affairs with almost an identical case history.( I am now currently down to 10 hours which will increase to 13 in two weeks time.)
To live comfortably teaching Corporate business English at the standard 150 pesos per hour, I have to teach 18 hours a week. Anything less and I am scraping by.
In all likelihood if you are doing the corporate english route, you will fill four mornings with work from recruiters for a total of 6 hours. The rest of the day will be much harder to fill and you will spend a lot of time hustling for it.
As for being bilingual, don�t sweat it. Many have rudimentary Spanish proficiency or none at all. You will be placed in advanced conversational classes only, however. Fortunately there are enough of those to fill your mornings like I said in the above paragraph.
You will fill your mornings within two weeks. Filling out the rest will take months, unless you get lucky |
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Mexicobound

Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 120 Location: In Texas but ready to roam again
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: A few (hopefully not redundant) questions...about DF |
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paytons wrote: |
How much Spanish *must* I know to be successful (as far as teaching English goes-I do plan to learn in time and would be staying with a native)?
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Knowing the national language of a country is not compulsory to teaching ESL there.
Best of luck. |
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dixie

Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 644 Location: D.F
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:16 am Post subject: |
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There are places in DF that will hire you without any teaching experience, or a TEFL/TESOL, or a relevant degree, but you'll find the pay is abysmally low. The types of schools that hire unqualified and inexperienced teachers are not very respectful of their students so why would they respect you?
Take some time to get a training course and you'll benefit. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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I had one colleague who was an independent teacher who occasionally hired other teachers relinquish his business to go work for another company as an academic coordinator |
Still very much teaching, though - and without a single qual. to my name! I think quality, knowledge and good sense are what count, as in any profession. If you're gonna do something, make sure you do it damn well - or at least give that impression  |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
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I had one colleague who was an independent teacher who occasionally hired other teachers relinquish his business to go work for another company as an academic coordinator |
Still very much teaching, though - and without a single qual. to my name! I think quality, knowledge and good sense are what count, as in any profession. If you're gonna do something, make sure you do it damn well - or at least give that impression  |
I agree with you 100% Phil!
At one of my first ESL gigs in Mexico I made the unpardonable mistake of saying I didn't feel confident in one class and I needed some help to make my class better. Big mistake! The academic coordinator (Mexican of course) threw a fit about how I was a "fully trained" and "certified" English Profesor on account of my having shown my TEFL cert. in the interview.
In Mexico, never ask for help or say you don't know something. People lose respect for you. Just fudge over it. If somebody is asking a question, that means they don't have the answer to begin with.
Yes, there are schools that will hire a native speaker without a TEFL cert. Business English is one area. English schools are another. There are several chain schools that hire and train teachers. Places like Interlingua (low pay, long hours but they do get you a FM-3 work visa and they have healthcare and vacations), Wall Street Institute ( It was an OK place when I worked there, but has gone down hill, many teachers have not been paid in the last few months), Harmon Hall (it's a franchise outfit, but unlike the Golden Arches the quality, pay, and teachers vary greatly from branch to branch), Quick Learning (Their motto is: In six months you're bilingual!, yeah right), Hamer Sharp (pay sucks), Berlitz (nice option if you like to have you classes monitored by intercom from the office and work for Gestapo like managers), Ingles Individual (almost anybody can work at this poor mans version of Wall Street Inst.) and there are many other smaller schools as well.
Pay: Business classes pay from $120 (low) to $200 (high) with $150 an hour being the average. Institutes pay from $40 to $80 with $60 an hour being the average. |
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Julieanne
Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 120
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Santa Fe is beautiful |
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