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itchy_feet



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:15 pm    Post subject: Teaching at APC? Reply with quote

I'm currently in the interview process with APC (Asia Pacific College) Vietnam.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any constructive opinions (positive or negative) about the school?

Any information appreciated Very Happy

Thankyou!
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Oneonta



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching at APC? Reply with quote

itchy_feet wrote:
I'm currently in the interview process with APC (Asia Pacific College) Vietnam.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any constructive opinions (positive or negative) about the school?

Any information appreciated Very Happy

Thankyou!


I haven't worked at APC but I know people that have.

There is recent discusson about this place, here:

http://www.saigonesl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1233
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itchy_feet



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link but I saw that discussion aswell.

I'm after any other information regarding APC...

I don't want to just read one bad posting and dismiss the school.
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Green Acres



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends upon what they offer and the contract guarantees. Remember, if there is a dispute, or you become disenchanted, your only option is to pack it in and move on. Consider every position in Vietnam as a springboard whilst seeking employment elsewhere. Then, maybe, you will find the right fit. Who knows? It could be APC. There are so many factors at play these days....it's extremely volatile.
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Texas_blu



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

APC has been going through many changes recently. Some teachers like it, some don't. I've never worked there but know teachers that do and others who've quit.

Their big push is to become internationally accredited, for now, they use testing like GAC to obtain that but they're working on affiliations and curriculum to make the testing supplemental rather than primary.

They've also got schools in Phan Thiet and Can Tho. Currently, I think they're recruiting for Can Tho. Work Permits are a requirement and salaried positions paid monthly don't deduct for holidays, ect.

I personally have known the DOS that recently returned from the USA. He's a PhD and quite the honorable guy.

This school is good for some and too much for too little for others. In other words, one man's trash is another's treasure!

Hope this helps.
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itchy_feet



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for all the information!

Texas_blu: are you able to give me a few examples of the changes? and if you know about the length of vacation given to teachers?

Thankyou again!

Very helpful!
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Texas_blu



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

APC started out as a BS school that would hire anybody and "lie through their teeth" about what they would do for their students much like AHS and APC. But they're changing that and they're going through the accreditation process now.

Whether or not they will hold to this and finish what they have started is yet to be seen or known. This process is a long and winding road full of many obstacles and problems for any school in VN. IF they are successful, they'll be able to compete with schools like BIS, IS, and SSIS. And of course, the tuition will sharply rise giving them the ability to offer their teachers some of the highest rates of pay BUT also demand true performance. BS teachers need not apply.

Sorry, but I don't know anything about vacation times or if there are any but they do classically close down the English program for a couple of weeks 2 times a year to prepare the students for the VN tests.

This school is in a flux situation, I wish them good luck!
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Mattingly



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Texas_blu wrote:
APC started out as a BS school that would hire anybody and "lie through their teeth" about what they would do for their students much like AHS and APC. But they're changing that and they're going through the accreditation process now.

Whether or not they will hold to this and finish what they have started is yet to be seen or known. This process is a long and winding road full of many obstacles and problems for any school in VN. IF they are successful, they'll be able to compete with schools like BIS, IS, and SSIS. And of course, the tuition will sharply rise giving them the ability to offer their teachers some of the highest rates of pay BUT also demand true performance. BS teachers need not apply.


If they ever are able to compete with SSIS and BIS, which are real, certified International Schools,

Only teachers with a teaching license from their home country will be able to be hired.

They'll also have to follow International School guidelines, which probably means a nationality quota.

I could not be a "vietnemase" school with most vietnamese students.

For this to happen, new ownership and experienced administrators will have to be hired to set up the curriculum to International School standards.

Honestly, I don't see this happening.
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Texas_blu



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I could not be a "vietnemase" school with most vietnamese students.


Sorry, what does this mean? Please clarify.

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For this to happen, new ownership and experienced administrators will have to be hired to set up the curriculum to International School standards.


Perhaps new experienced administrators BUT new ownership? This doesn't make sense.

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Texas_blu



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Only teachers with a teaching license from their home country will be able to be hired.


I personally know teachers at both organizations that don't have a teaching certificate or "license" at both of these schools. Standards are significantly higher but what you're saying isn't true.[/quote]
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Green Acres



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to say if they are playing a short-term game or not. Some schools go through the process of becoming an international school so they can expand their base and receive other benefits. The whole process takes about 4 years, and even longer. This allows schools to make a promise that they might not keep -- a common practice around these parts.
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Texas_blu



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The whole process takes about 4 years, and even longer.


This depends on a number of factors, it could be as little as a couple of years.

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This allows schools to make a promise that they might not keep -- a common practice around these parts.


On this point, we agree.
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Green Acres



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay Blu. What I was trying say was that APC, or several of the other international wannabes, will not be getting their accreditation any sooner than 4 years, if ever.

Additionally, I would forward, that they (schools) are intentionally slowing the process down so they can advertise and draw in students over the next 4 years. Most students are Vietnamese and there is a demand for this type of education within communities here as there are long waiting lists for Vietnamese students in all the proper international schools.

There isn't free speech and there are no education watchdogs, so anyone can get a license to open an "international" school, make promises to parents, and operate unfettered for half a decade as they go through the motions of becoming certified. In the end, when they become rejected, they will have made a bundle and short-changed a generation. Parents have no idea, and in fact, only the schools and the government really understand what is happening (and educators, of course).


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Oneonta



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Texas_blu wrote:
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I could not be a "vietnemase" school with most vietnamese students.


Sorry, what does this mean? Please clarify.


I was referring to Nationality Quotas.

To be an International there is a nationality quota.

Students whose nationality is, for example:

Korean
British
Singaporean
Australian
Malaysian
Japanese
American
Vietnamese

I know that IS has a 25% nationality quota cap. If IS (International School) goes to say, 26% of the student body being Korean, for example, then it is not an International school.

So....If APC has for example, 30% Vietnamese or say, 95% Vietnamese students, then it is not an International school.

It's a private Vietnamese school with the word "international" in it's name.


IPS is a perfect example. It's a private Vietnamese school but it's name is, International Primary School.
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vit



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know who is doing the accreditation/licensing/certifying?
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