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hippo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:20 pm    Post subject: Private teaching visa Reply with quote

Hi

I'm not trying to incite negative comments, nor do I want any.

If this post angers you, please just relax and don't spread the karma Smile

Is there anybody out there that only teaches privately? If so, how do you do it in regards your Visa status?

Thanks heaps!
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are really only two choices: L and F visa.
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Mister Al



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ever-changing Cleric wrote:
There are really only two choices: L and F visa.


There is also a X visa for students.

Needless to say working for a money under any of these visas is illegal. Some folk just take their chances.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i guess people could also teach on a D visa if they had one, but I think most people teaching without a Z/residence permit are using F and L since they're easiest and cheapest to get.
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Mister Al



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, cleric. But does anyone know anyone who actually has a D visa? Laughing
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JamesD



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: . Reply with quote

I work with a Japanese businessman who has one.
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hippo



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So on an L-visa, you need to get it renewed every month / 3 months right? So that means a trip to hong kong, and that means you can't be doing that too many times.... People are gunna get supicious when you've been doing it five years right.

And an F visa still requires a invitation letter right?? So it must be as 'hard' to get as a work visa...?

I'm not trying to skip out on paying tax or any other responsibilities, its just that there is so much more money to be made if you can clear your schedule of all the inconvenient university stuff Smile

Is it impractical to setup your own 'business' and get a visa that way?
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evaforsure



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do know of several private teachers who do work on RPs and came into china on Zs....but this is a rare occurrence and could only be done in the most wealthiest of parents ..... on the other hand their are language schools what will issue a x for a year... and their students are often private teachers as well.. not talking bout youngsters...you can get Ls up to a year.. finding the right person to file the paperwork is the trick... if someone is a free agent .. they have a friend to take care of the visa for them...
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Sonnibarger



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure about the visa side of it but... if you are planning to register a business you will need atleast 100000rmb in the bank as capital... there is a shit ton of paper work to do(you can hire a person for a small fee) and a bit of time involved.... dont think it a viable option.... why not find a uni that offers less than 10 hours per week... take ur 3500 rmb/apt and make ur money on the side...
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke with a person who translates between government officers and foreigners when they have legal problems.

Last week, he was translating for a Nigerian man who, until recently, was a foreign teacher. Around March, for whatever reason, he went "freelance".

They caught him in June.

He will be deported in about two weeks.

Until then, he is staying as a guest of law enforcement.

I feel sympathy for those who are of such desperate circumstances they feel the need to risk incarceration and deportation to make what would be near minimum wage in a developed country.

Anyway, to answer the OP's question as to, "how do you do it in regards your Visa status?"

In this man's case, he left his employer, let his visa expire and stayed on teaching privates. Fairly straightforward process it seems.

Best of luck.
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hippo



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Chinese friend who has a language institute... I guess if she hooked me up as a student I could teach on that visa.

RE the guy above me that mentioned risking it all to make minimum wage; I make USD 40 per hour teaching privately. 20 or 30 hours of that per week is worth bending the rules a little for I think.

But maybe I'm just a bad, bad person Wink
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mike w



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I make USD 40 per hour teaching privately. 20 or 30 hours of that per week is worth bending the rules a little for I think.


Sorry, but I can't agree with that sentiment. Nor do I think it necessary to bend the rules for that. Why should you bend the rules when you can legally earn that salary.

I earn more than that with no rule bending, and everything above board and legal.
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evaforsure



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I have a Chinese friend who has a language institute... I guess if she hooked me up as a student I could teach on that visa.



If you going to justify your stay by going to school, make sure you show up in Class....this is a very important point...and I wouldn't use a friend but rather a legit school... pay the tu for the year...

recently, not sure if I have spoke bout this or not....I knew a guy who was a stone cold alcoholic...stayed homeless for the last few years with no visa and continued to work...both privates and pick up classes.. for 5 YEARS...even during the olyp. crack down he was not detected...turned by a security guard he had had a disagreement with .. they were brown bag partners.. the PBS was embarrassed and naturally whisk him away and he was on the next flight out.. what u wanna bet ..he returns to China...drunks and fools.. god takes care of them...
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Laurence



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@the topic:

Thing about living off privates is that if you take holidays -
a) you don't get paid
and
b) you probably lose your students

Personally I think it's best to work from a base of a light contract and get your Z visa, as Sonnibarger suggested. They'd probably expect you to take on privates anyway.
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Sugar Magnolia



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"...drunks and fools.. god takes care of them..."

Deep down inside I knew there was a reason for my faith. Thanks for clearing that up Eva.

Yunqi
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